The Uncomfortable Truth About Stepping Into A Healed Self

Kathleen Flanagan (00:02)
Hello everyone and welcome to the journey of an awakening spirit. is Kathleen Flanagan and I'm your host. And today we have Hillary Powers in the room with us and she has been in recovery since 1983, been a mentor, writer and public speaker in recovery for over 40 years. In the early 90s, she worked as the program manager for the first sober living house for women alcoholics in the United States.

This program, which later came to be known as Promises, was instrumental in establishing the aftercare for the recovering alcoholic. For over 30 years, she's worked with hundreds of women whose lives have been devastated by alcohol and drug addiction and guided them through various stages of their growth. As a child, she was a well-known actress, voicing the character of Sally in many of the Charlie Brown characters, blessed to have worked with Charles Schultz and Bill Mendelson.

No kidding. My passion is for discussing alcoholism or her passion is for discussing alcoholism, family dynamics, mindset changes, ego, ways of changing one's character, healing trauma wounds and using scars to thrive, not survive. She provides guidance towards the love within freedom from emotional bondage, procrastination, toxic relationships.

limiting beliefs and helping people to avoid sitting in their shit. She will soon be publishing her memoir, Good Grief Hollywood Ate My Childhood, which chronicles her harrowing journey from self-destruction to redemption. She has written two children's books, Zach the Yak and Zach the Tack Are Back. That was a mouthful. Welcome, Hillary. Good, thank you.

Hilary Momberger Powers (01:53)
How do you

do fellow Irish woman Flannigan? What a great Irish name. Boy, right?

Kathleen Flanagan (01:59)
Yeah, thank

you. So, I mean, you definitely didn't leave much to the imagination in your bio. So, but I'm going to still ask you, what was your journey of becoming an awakening spirit? Because there was obviously a pivot in your life to make that kind of transition.

Hilary Momberger Powers (02:16)
Yeah, I always say that you've got to have a lot of lack to get desire. And, you know, growing up as a cartoon character, meaning I wasn't even real in the world's eyes. I was just a kind of a voice behind a mask, a cartoon. Well, kind of, I would say it shaped the way my childhood became.

and created a character where I could be whatever you want. I can live in make believe and I can live behind a mask. You know, of this character that, you know, I was put in position to be. And, you know, a lot of people think, wow, how great, how fun. Well, yeah, it'd be great if all of a sudden, if there's something I really wanted to do at five years old, what do you want? You don't know what you want to do. I want to eat candy.

I wanna play with my friends. I wanna be a part of my family and I just wanna be a kid. Yet, you know, the world views being put in stardom or in front of a camera or to be looked at as somebody untouchable, a goal. And, you know, it wasn't something I wanted, but I was kind of forced into it.

due to my mother's inadequate feelings and not making it in her mind, her desires were to have all these kids and make them famous because she couldn't You you think of that stage mother, you know, give you a little background on my mom, just so you have an idea of the woman that she created and...

you know, and groomed to become this powerhouse slash destructive powerhouse. And then as a result of me saying enough, I became the woman that I am. it's, love it, say one from A to Z, but there's all those in me believe. So my mother was raised in New York City and she was a very, very pretty model and she was an only child.

and very privileged as you would see it today would be, you know, she had the limousines to school. She was raised on Fifth Avenue. Her my grandfather was the assistant district attorney of New York City. And so she was very privileged. And you would think that would create somebody amazing, but it became it turned on her. And so she was put in this. had to be perfect. She had to be a certain because it was the only child.

you know, of a prominent, you know, my grandfather ran for Senate. So there was, you know, back that world. And my mom just wanted to be a model and an actress because it was during the thirties and the forties. And who didn't want to be an actor? was like, ⁓ God, the glim, the glitz. ⁓ and my grandfather put his foot down and said, no, you know, you're a good girl. You went to Barnard. You're going to be a teacher. You're going to be a mother. And so my mother,

you know, went along with it. And, you know, at that time, I don't know if she had, she was building her alcoholism. She was on, they, kept her thin by giving her those little crosstops, those little white tablets. And, you know, I think that set my mother's alcoholism off. And so when she was forced by family, you know,

by my grandfather to give up this dream she had, super-gradually got married to my father. I guess this will do. My dad was a great dad, great guy, loved my dad, bless him. ⁓

But for some, you my dad was never gonna measure up to what she wanted because she really didn't wanna get married. She wanted to be famous. And so we, I was raised in, ⁓ I was born in LaGrange, Illinois and we moved to California when I was three. And my mother had a plan. She was gonna take these four kids that she had popped out four in a row. She had actually.

one in between me and then she eventually had was she got pregnant nine times. We had seven children. ⁓ And because you get a lot of attention when you get pregnant, my God, you're so beautiful. You're so thin. You're, you know, she got her ego was being stroked. You know, she got the ego satisfied. And so, you know, my mom decided we're going to go to Hollywood because we moved to California. That's what you do.

And so we went to an agent, we got an agent immediately, and my first audition was to become this cartoon character. And I had no clue what it was. My dad showed me in the newspaper, the clippings, this is what you're going for. And you you're five, you're like, great, is there candy? That's all I cared about, you know? ⁓ So my first audition was meeting Charles Schulz and Bill Melendez. And...

I had rehearsed and my mom said, got to say these lines perfectly. And I'm a kid. So, my formative years, as we all know, we grow between birth and 12 or like the years you build a character.

Here I am five and I just want my mom to be happy and she's never happy. So this could make her happy. So, you know, I went for this audition and they sat me down and they had a conversation with me and I was just a kid and he said, you're perfect for it. And I had no idea what perfect for what was, but you know, I was invited back. So I was excited. ⁓ cool. I get to do this. ⁓ you know, my mother was like gold mine, moneymaker.

You know, like I said, she was this elite. So my dad was, know, West Point, went to, worked at Lockheed, worked at, you know, Northrop, was like the aerospace ⁓ engineer. And he was just trying to make ends meet. And my mom saw us as a way to fulfill her unsatisfiable ego. Hi, Cutie. And so.

So anyway, so I started doing commercials and I realized that I did commercials and I doll voices for Mattel, Hi Dotty, Baby Beans, know, Pull the String. And so I was already building this character like no one knew who I was. But all I had to do is say what you wanted me to say, be who you wanted me to be, ⁓ smile, look cute.

And as my mother used to say, at all costs, don't show your emotions because they're not profitable. And so I start building a character based on a people pleaser, you know.

I do ⁓ coaching and I talk a lot about trauma, which is like the buzzword for our world today. We're in one big trauma experience with the world, apparently. Let's see how many people can freak out. Buzzword, know, that's why. ⁓ So here I am, this little girl that just wants mom to be happy. And every time I don't make it, it becomes...

Kathleen Flanagan (09:44)
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Hilary Momberger Powers (09:54)
The catastrophize, the end of the world. my God, your brothers and sisters are going to starve. So I go, I get traumatized. It's like an earthquake when the earth moves, the plates move. All of a sudden, I'm no longer this happy, joyful little girl that takes an hour and a half to get to kindergarten because I'm picking flowers and petting horses and dogs and looking at butterflies. Now...

I gotta do this because I gotta make mom happy. You know, in trauma, there's four types, but I only talk about three, because those are the ones we, the easy pickings. You become a people pleaser, a loner, or you become the controller.

Well, I hands down became the people pleaser. I did whatever you wanted. I acted a certain way. I smiled when I was on cue. I was a happy little girl. But behind closed doors, I had no idea who I like. This little girl was always scared, always in fear.

We're going to starve. That was always in the back of my head. Are we going homeless? Mom said we're going homeless. We're going to live on the streets. And so I had this implanted in me and I'm in my formative years of really learning how the world works. Like, you know, when we're born, I believe, and it's been written in many places that we have two fears, not getting fed. Hence we cry, we scream, or

⁓ The other one's not getting fed. The other one is loud noises. Now I'm exposed to my mother screaming all the time because my mother had crossed over from speed from trying to stay skinny. She found alcohol and I remember saying I'm never ever going to be like her.

I'm never going to drink like her. She's crazy. You know, we had the ongoing joke with my four, my two sisters and brothers that mom's nickname is Satan because we thought she was like the evilest thing in the world. you know, I put that in the back of my head that anything that represents parenting or guidance was evil.

You know, I start building, like I said, this character based on all these new principles. You have to be perfect. You can't show your emotions. You got to be a good girl. You have to work, you know, and today, thank God I have those ethics because I am a workhorse. I'm not afraid to get my to work, you know. ⁓ And so what seemed to be the worst thing in the world has become a really great character asset to me, but.

So here I am, this little girl just, I've got blisters on my fingers and biting my fingernails. And all I want to do is like really deep down is I just want to be a kid. You know, I go to school, they rip me out of school. I go to auditions. I, you know, I couldn't read until I was 11 years old because I learned how to say what you told me to say. And here I build this character based on being

A yes ma'am, a yes, whatever you want, here I am. You know, a performer, a girl who wears a mask. Because if you got to know who I was or am, I thought, that's not good. I have to be something else to be loved.

And those are my, you know, I call those my downstairs in the deep basement stuff that we bring out when we have something happen. I go to, my God, I'm not enough. I'm not pretty enough. I'm not smart enough. The non enough stuff. And like I said, these are the character I built. So when I was 11,

And going on 12, my dad got transferred to ⁓ back East because of some crazy stuff happening in my family. And, meanwhile, my mother and father fighting all the time. So I'm praying. My mother's taking us to church on Sunday and Saturday catechism. And I'm praying to this God I don't know. And I'm like, God, if you're there, please kill my mother and father.

and put me in my best friend, Duran's house. And it never happened. Mom would come in screaming, pulling the... It's just very violent and very unpredictable. If you ever live with alcoholism or drinkers, and we have a world filled with it, there's instability. You don't know what's gonna happen. You're ready for Freddie. You're always...

in a hurry, you're trying to please the world, you're denying your feelings. And this is way before I start drinking. So my character, my self-characters, are already being felt, know, in this little, as a child. I don't know what it feels like. We had horses, because my mother had this huge desire to have everything, ego, never satisfied. And we had all these horses and...

You know, I had to be the best. I had to be the champion. We did the three day events and I just learned how to keep going and going and going. Is that enough? we there yet? And do you love me now? Am I good girl? Am I good girl? And I could never get that because my mother was so tortured inside. She was so unhappy and she was hoping that her outsides would fix her insides.

And that's a trait I took on. I kept thinking if I did the right class or if I became the right person or if I did the right job, then I'll be okay. Do you love me now? And I took that into my teen years. And when we moved back east,

⁓ My mother said, we're going to put a hold on Sally and you're going to come back because we're not staying here more than a year. My mother demanded, we're not staying back East. I need to be in Hollywood. And so when I came back, I went to go talk to Bill Melendez and Charles Schulz and they said, we're so sorry, your voice has changed. We've replaced you. That was like my first rejection. was like, I've been replaced.

And so that was another part of me that thought, I'm not worth keeping. I get replaced all the time. Now this is the character I bring into my adult years. These are the deep down in the basement, the who I am.

And so when I came back, I remember saying, I'm never going to be like mom, she's crazy. And then my sister said to me, hey, you want to drink English 800? I was like, 13. I was like, sure. And when I tasted that alcohol for the first time, I didn't like the effect. But what I did like is my broken spirit.

became a new spirit. I was so scared and I felt like I failed everybody. I thought everyone was going to die and starve because all these principles that I had learned that I had to keep and take care of the world in order for me to be loved.

And from the outside of the grave, we all look like the Kennedy family. ⁓ My mom kept having kids, kept spitting them out. I used to joke and say, mom, how did your mom have so many kids? And I'm like, drink, fight, and fuck. That was it. There's the family. I know lot of people today who has children because of that too. ⁓ So when I found alcohol and drugs,

I was no longer Hillary, the one that failed everybody. And these are the beliefs that I had so stored inside of me. I was in this trauma response that the people pleaser stopped working. So now I became the loner. my, you know, that response is live or die, black or white. It's like, you know, I'm fight or flight. I'm not living. I'm in a survival mode.

And I just know I got to do whatever it takes to make sure I don't die. That's all I know. And so here I go from, you know, the girl who used to make cookies on Saturday with my mom, my stepmom, to on 14 stealing cars, getting arrested for robbery, you know, good girl turns bad. But I get attention.

I don't know I'm doing this, but good press is bad. Bad press is just as good as good press. And I'm still getting that ego that's so fractured. Either I'm good enough or the flip side is I'm not enough and I really don't deserve to be here. And so, you know, drinking as a young kid, not only

took me away from Hillary, but it really allowed me to live in my world. I was living with a woman that I failed and she made it real clear. She, you know, kept trying to get me put away and arrested and running away from home.

You know, I'm going back and forth to mom, to dad, and so, you know, getting beat up. She was very physically abusive. Now no one knew it from the outside because I know how to put a mask on. I'd say, how are you? Great. Everything's fine. You know, how's your family? Wonderful. Because if you knew what was happening in my family, you too would throw me away because these are my beliefs.

I believed everything that I was told, you know. You think God, my mom did these things to me because, you know, I talked to a lot of women and men that everything that happened to them, they thought it was because it was who they were. And, you know, her people, her people, as we say, my mother was so tortured by her own mind.

and her own addictions and her own inadequacies and never enough. So how are you going to raise a kid when you're so fractured and so broken too in that world? And so by the time I was 15, I'm running away from home and finally I hit my mother. You know, she was beating me and I hit her back and she arrested me for assault and battery. And I went to juvenile hall.

And I remember getting in the police car going, finally, finally I'm out of this house. But the problem was I took me with me and all my beliefs and old ideas and this character I had built. And now I've crossed over into that wonderful invisible line called alcoholism where I don't need God. got to be my own God.

I don't need love, I just gotta get what I need to get, because I'm in survival mode. So I go to juvenile hall and they release me to a foster home and there's sexual abuse going on there, which wasn't odd to me because there was sexual abuse going on in my house. And it was the big secret, the big lie that you just don't talk about and maybe it'll go away. Like if I ignore it, then it won't bother me anymore.

And I keep stuffing it and stuffing it. By the time I was, you know, I dropped out of high school. I was, went to seven high schools by the time I was in ninth grade. Go figure that one. Cause I was moving all the time. And I got the great idea. I don't need an education. I just need to learn the streets. So it was like, man, it was like, you know, ⁓ a cartoon character to, ⁓ you know,

I don't even, a Marvel character, you know, it was like so black and white. And I ended up living on the streets, selling pots and pans on the highway, living in warehouses, you know, buying drugs, selling drugs. Until, you know, one day I got the idea I should just kill myself.

You know, I overdosed a couple times and I remember praying and saying, obviously God hates me. I'm in Pocotori because I was Catholic. So you learn those, those buzzwords. Probably my fault. Everything's my fault, you know? And it's okay. I'm not worth anything anyway. I, you know, I ended up at 21. I overdosed on a fire escape and I looked up and I said,

If there's a God, please don't let me die. Because I didn't want to die. I just didn't know how to change my life. I didn't know how to have a new experience because I really believed I was set out in this world to suffer. You know, I had already built this another part of my characters. I'm a victim.

I would say if he grew up with the way I grew up, I always had a tagline on everything because I was defending my weakness instead of surrendering to it. ⁓ you know, I ended up, ⁓ I didn't die. My grandma's seizure stopped and I called out my first crack in my egg because my shell was so hard and so solidified that

nothing can penetrate it except another traumatic event and it saved my life because that day I realized I don't want to die I just don't know how to live I just don't know how to live and I

ended up going to my first day meeting when I was 21 years old. I felt like I had just left one alcoholic family to another one, except these guys weren't drinking. They're so crazy, you know. I used to call myself sober and crazy and that's an exciting name tag. And, you know, over the years I have had the most incredible people placed in my life to guide me.

You know, it takes a village to shift. takes, it just isn't about just me figuring it out because my mind was so fractured. You know, my mind is where I hold my memories. My mind is where I hold my hurt, my anger, my resentments. You know, I didn't know how to get out of my mind except drinking and using. And now that you took this away, now I'm stuck. What do I do now?

And but for the grace of God, I have been sent so many little, I call my little angels along the way that have said things to me like, God, Hillary, you're so smart. What are you going to do with that brain of yours? Like, I never heard a compliment like that. I don't know. And she said, why don't you go back to school? I was like, wow, I have to go back to high school? Oh my God. And then my 20s, how embarrassing, you know?

And I ended up going back to high school in my 20s, humility, humbling, going, hi, you're 15 and I'm 25. And I ended up going back to college. And I'd love to say it was the easy road, but it's so bumpy and it's uphill and downhill and lots of, my family wanted nothing to do with me. I failed my mother.

You know, at this point, she burned through all my money. I never got a dime. ⁓

She spent it, her name was on the trust. Well, that worked out good. And so, I learned that no matter how hard I work, I never get rewards. There's another belief I put down in my, deep down in my basement. So I work and work and work and I give my money away. I buy people things. just give, because I thought the only way to receive love is if you give, give, give.

because there was that little part of me I really didn't feel worthy of receiving anything. But I kept praying and I kept doing these things that people suggested me. And it's like little by little my soup finally cooked. All of a sudden I would, I started to stabilize. Like I stopped drinking, I stopped using.

I started surrounding myself with different types of people. There was not lying and screaming and, you know, I was bulimic. I couldn't keep food down. I was just so abusive to myself because I hated who I thought I was. Because I thought I had failed everybody and I was so ashamed of Hillary. I was supposed to be this happy little kid like the cartoon.

We had this great relationship with friends and family and I was homeless. And so, you know, when you hear people they get sober and their life becomes wonderful.

My life got good on the outside, but I was still so tortured on the inside. You know, like it's still, now I'm sober and I can't, I can't dull those feelings when I look in the mirror and I go, God, I hate you, Hillary. Yeah, I don't even know why I'm alive.

Like I had to slowly but surely abandon all the beliefs I had and find out where did I get this information? Who told me this? You know, when my mother said you're nothing, you amount to nothing without me, she wasn't saying that to me. She was telling herself that. But I took it as I'm not enough. I am out to nothing.

And I lived that lie for years until someone introduced me to thinking differently and acting differently. So, but I couldn't do that until I stabilized. And once I do that with the people I work with, talk about.

calming your that that final that that safety getting yourself to safety because when you're in trauma everything's like the end of the world Catastrophize like I said, I mean I pick up my phone today I look at social media and I go I can go straight to trauma bill just like that Because my body has memory. I know what that feels like to always be ready for Freddy, you know Thought finding got to figure it out. Why is my life gonna fall apart?

But it's up to me to simmer Hillary down. And so, you know, my feelings, my taste, yeah, it's a hearing, tasting, touching, feeling, smelling. I gotta stabilize all those senses before I can even emerge into a community or I can even hear what you're saying. Because when I'm in my head, I can hear a thing that you're telling me.

because I'm waiting to hurry up and give you the right answer, tell you what you want to hear, please. Or I go isolate and I run away or I quit a job. And I'm in this state, but I can't emerge into any other world until I stabilize. And so I've learned how to do that in the day I'm in. Like literally I can pick up my phone because there's so much shit going on in the world.

And if I allow it to become my God, I don't go to the one inside of me. And I go back out to living on the outside. I don't know, you can ask me questions. I can just like ramble. I know it's a lot. It's been the most incredible adventure. You like I said, my mother,

2005 ended up losing everything because of her addictions and her drug addictions. She became a meth addict and she ended up dying homeless. And I remember thinking, I can't wait till my mom dies, because then I'll get rid of all this anger and resentment. And the day she died, I was more angry because it wasn't resolved.

I was stuck with all this shit inside of me. And I thought that if life changed on the outside, I would feel different. You know, I had a boyfriend at 16 that said, Hillary, your funnel's on backwards. You see life so messed up. And I understood what he meant. Like I kept thinking, when I get over there, I'll be happy.

But the ball keeps bouncing and I never get over there. Like when I get the right job, I get the right husband, I get the right weight. I stop, you I learn how to starve right. I learn how to get the right car. I get all this stuff. Then I'll be okay. But inside I'm still so fractured. And when he said that to me, I stuffed that in the basement. I thought he's crazy. He doesn't know what he's talking about. But when my mom

plus years ago, I realized that I kept blaming everything on everyone and everything because I just was so invested on being a victim. That was my identity. I kept making it all everybody else's fault. And so when I was stuck,

And I found out my mother was passed and they didn't even, they cremated her and they gave me a box of ashes. I felt as dead on the inside as this box of ashes were. And that was the day I said, God, I don't know who or what you are, but I need to have, I need to figure, find what's wrong with me.

And what I found out was wrong with me is I was just a hurt little girl that needed to re-parent myself and re-acclimate myself in not that world, but this world. Because I was running. I was just constantly running. that's when my real adventure came is when I learned to say,

I don't think my mom had kids and said, how can I torture my children and steal from them, leave them on freeways, beat them, never feed them, abandon them. I think my mother was very, very fractured and she was hurt. And she had stuff happen in her life. All of sudden I became curious to have some empathy. wanted to, I'm like, how can I have empathy for this woman?

And I realized that my mother was so sick. She didn't want to hurt me. She just didn't know how to not hurt because she was hurt. And I, you know, the gift of forgiveness, you know, is not for them. It's because I needed to feel good inside and I made a choice. Now I knew that

I can make choices instead of being a reactive state. But I needed to stabilize for me to realize that, you know, my life starts in here. This is my life. That's my living. What I do on the outside is just what I live doing. But in here is my inside life and I got to connect to something that created me. It's more powerful than this hurt little girl mind.

And you know, I've had a lot of people along the way guide me, suggest to me, but I had to have lack to have that desire to feel better. I knew that one day I could be happy. And I have to say at my age today, I've never been so content with who I am. Like, thank you God for letting me go through all that crap.

Because I know there was a purpose. It wasn't for me to be a victim and have my life and you know that poor, poor, poor me. I would say poor, poor, poor me a drink honey. You know? It was about me to realize that I've had everything inside of me. I just was so busy on the outside trying to find it.

Kathleen Flanagan (36:02)
then that's pretty much what it is. I mean, we're children, we don't know. And we don't understand that our parents just gave us a legacy. And because my parents gave me my legacy, which was pretty bad too. And it took a lifetime, you know, working on forgiving my father when he died, it was a horrific experience of what I faced. When my mother died, I got to see things I didn't even know were even there, which was the hopelessness of

Why am I even still here when I had just found my light, but that depth of pain was so intense. And I still kept believing that there was a reason. So when I came out of it, I was like, I don't know who I am. I don't know what I think. I don't know how I feel. I didn't know anything because it's like the mask came off and I didn't even know I was wearing a mask because that was not the word back then. All I knew is that

Hilary Momberger Powers (36:59)
No.

Kathleen Flanagan (37:01)
I didn't know anything about myself because I said I took all this crap off of me. And now it's like, well, who is this person in here? Cause I don't know. What are you? And I had to discover that part of myself. Well, what do I think? How do I feel? What do I accept? What do I not accept? What are my, what are my core values? What do I live by? How do I use this in life? mean, like all of a sudden I'm in a whole new school of life.

and it's the school of my life.

Hilary Momberger Powers (37:31)
And it's so exciting.

It's exciting. Then I got, instead of scared, because, you know, excitement is the same kind of scare you have that's so anxious, it's in your body. I got excited, like, my gosh, all of a sudden I'm like, I'm saving money. Like, what is that? And my mentor said to me, she goes, what do want to do? And I said, I want to travel.

I 24 years old. She was, where do you want to go? And I said, I want to go as far as from Los Angeles as possible. I want to go to Australia. She said, go. And I said, but I don't have enough money. And she was so kind to me because she told me the truth. She said, Hillary, you will never have enough of anything if you live out there. So why don't you just shut up and live? I was like,

Whoa! And I traveled and I saw like the rest of the world. We all have the same stuff. We're all trying to make it back home, which is inside. That's where God lives. I'm trying to go back home, but I think my house is out there. I think my life is out there, but it's not.

My inside life is the most important thing. My serenity and my stability, most important. And if it disrupts it, you gotta go, dude. You gotta go, job, you gotta go. And if I can't stabilize myself while I'm in this chaos, because we live in chaos, it's not going anywhere. Shits get worse. Every day. What am I gonna do? Implode? No.

I'm going to go inside and I'm going learn how to just simmer down and self-soothe and say, little girl, are you scared? It's okay. I'm not going anywhere. I'm not going to throw you away because it wasn't all those people in my life that threw me away. It was me. ⁓ you my mommy? Are you going to fix me? I'm not a perpetuating victim. And then if you didn't, well, it's because I'm not enough.

Kathleen Flanagan (39:34)
Right. So.

Hilary Momberger Powers (39:44)
It kept perpetuating my sickness, my hurt, my anger, my disappointment. And so I decided I don't want to live like this anymore. I had to hit that bottom like we talk about. That bottom. Thank God.

Kathleen Flanagan (40:00)
Sorry about that. It's supposed to be on like shut off. So it's weird that it just went off. So I don't know what caused that. I'm in what, do not disturb mode and yet my phone went off.

Hilary Momberger Powers (40:01)
Boom!

Well, it doesn't want it wants to deserve it. Who cares? ⁓ well.

Kathleen Flanagan (40:17)
Yeah, no, it's okay. So, so, so what do you do and how can people get ahold of you? Cause we are winding down. So what is it that you want to offer to the people and how can you help them and how can they get ahold of you?

Hilary Momberger Powers (40:26)
Yeah.

You're so awesome, Well, I am a life coach. I've had an incredible life. I always say I can't take this shit with me, so let me share it. I have gone through thousands of hours of therapy, and I've learned how to condense stuff so I can treat my...

dis-ease, not at ease, right here right now. And I show women, I have six to 12 weeks, I do keynote speaking where I take people through on how to stabilize right now. Because that's all that matters is right now. I can't fix my past. I can only deal with it right now. So I help people go through that. And I coach and I...

You know, that's what I do. I love doing it. I love helping another human being. I found my purpose. It's it's Hillary mamburgerpowers.com. You can set up a chit chat and if I can't assist you, I have just. ⁓

Kathleen Flanagan (41:25)
So do you have a website or anything that people can get a hold of you?

Hilary Momberger Powers (41:40)
so many people I can refer you out to because it takes a village. This is a scary place right now and you know it's it's nice to have people guide you. I don't want to be your guru. I don't want to be your therapist. I want to help you find you and get in touch with that great God inside of you to get you to your next destination.

Kathleen Flanagan (42:02)
I love that. That is it's all about empowering and teaching people how to empower themselves because that's the phase that we're going into and that's the energy that is shifting in as of today. So if anybody, yep, it's the Chinese firehouse. Yep. ⁓

Hilary Momberger Powers (42:05)
Thank

It

makes me feel good to do that, but works don't fix it, right?

Kathleen Flanagan (42:24)
That's right, exactly. So I wanna thank everyone for joining me today and Hillary for taking the time, because I know we're all very busy people, but I do appreciate you coming on and sharing your wisdom because your story is very much like mine and it's very much like a lot of people out there because I haven't met anyone who hasn't had a journey like this.

Hilary Momberger Powers (42:35)
Yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (42:48)
And it's just in the self discovery. And that's what this show is about is to let people know that they're not alone. And if somebody resonates with you, you'll be able to find her stuff in the show notes so you can reach out to her directly. And I wanna thank again, if you've got any value, please give this link, like it, subscribe to it, give it to whoever who needs it because you never know you might save somebody's life by doing this.

So I wanna thank all of you again for being here and be sure to look into my school at I Am The Light Sanctuary, my community. And I will see all of you next Tuesday at 4 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. And from my heart to yours, I hope you have a fabulous week.

Hilary Momberger Powers (43:31)
Thank you.