From Struggle to Flow: Discover the Secret to Effortless Transformation

Kathleen Flanagan (00:02)
Hello everyone and welcome to the journey of an awakening spirit. is Kathleen Flanagan, your host. And today we have Dr. Joseph Drills Hagen with us and he has been featured in Fox, NBC, CBS and USA News, along with being named one of the top business coaches in America for five consecutive years in the New York journal, disruptors magazine. And as of February, 2025 in the enterprise world.

Joseph is the rapid growth specialist. Combining his 28 year career in corporate America up to VP of sales and his doctorate in psychology with extensive studies and knowledge of mindset, he has assisted multiple organizations experiencing bankruptcy back into profitability along with creating innovative systems that bring about massive results both personally and professionally.

Different from other TasksBank business coaches, Joey has proven that developing systems of accelerating habits unique to the individuals and total mindset alignment achieves greater results in a shorter period of time. Utilizing his subconscious mindset training, the SMT method, he helps business owners and sales professionals across America align their conscious and subconscious mind with their vision.

transforming self-sabotaging behaviors while linking accelerating habits that lead to greater success. Joseph leads clients to closing their knowing.

Joseph leads clients to closing their knowing, doing gaps through creating systems of habit and personal transformation. He proves time and again that when you shift the conditioning, causing limitation, you quickly begin noticing rapid growth, not just in your business, but in all areas of your life. Dr. Joseph is a master at optimizing mindsets for profitability. Welcome Dr. Joseph.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (01:40)
Do we have?

Thank you, Kathleen. And if you do anything, if you want to cut all that back to today joining me, who's Dr. Joseph Droschek, I'm good with it.

Kathleen Flanagan (02:14)
Okay, so Joey, you were on my show about

a year and a half ago. I hired you as a coach and we had a lot of fun. I had a lot of growth and we're going to talk a little bit about that during this conversation. But what I'd like to do is just have you just tell everybody a little bit about your journey of becoming an awakening spirit.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (02:21)
Yeah. Yep. We did.

Perfect.

Yeah, it's been so I mean, it's been four decades, Kathleen, you know, that I've been working on this since I was 22 years old. And it started out because I felt broken, you know, because I felt like

I wasn't able to achieve things so many other people around me were achieving. And I thought there was something wrong within me. And so I started that journey out and I've done, you know, shamanic journeying, I've done deep breathing meditation, I've done all kinds of different avenues. And they were every one of them have been helpful on my journey. So I'm always very open.

you know, to trying new things, new techniques, things like that. And even like the things that you do and stuff is just incredible with you know, and, even that even finding out that I'm able to read energy and things like that from people and stuff. And, and my whole journey has been trying to I mean, I've really been the guinea pig of all the works I do today, because it's I've tried fixing myself. And through that process, what has come about is beyond

It's beyond the possible in my own mind, even though I'm living it today. You know, I would have never thought this kid growing up in Detroit, Michigan, would end up making it in white collar, let alone up to a vice president of sales. And then and then this whole method of this SMT method that is his it's it's not of me, it came through me. And you you understand that very well.

And so, you know, and just getting to help people live. I mean, that whole introduction thing could really be knocked out as man, I love, love, love helping people live better lives. I love helping them find what's causing the hiccups because it's never outside influences. And then having the tools now to shift that and bring about a different outcome, different results in their life.

I love that I get to live this life. And you and I have shared some of those times on some of our calls that we had and stuff where I literally break down tears over our breakthroughs that you've experienced and such. You know, it's just incredible.

Kathleen Flanagan (04:38)
It is, I just, the best decision I ever made was hiring you as a coach. The thing that got me, because I was also in the David Behr program, so you got to learn some things also because of that, and I think this is a really good point, but I know that when we were working together, you taught me how to get back into my heart, because everything I was doing was in my head.

And I didn't know that. And every time I saw a ship, cause you're like, Kath, you're back in your head. And I'm like, what do mean I'm in my head? I'm not in my head. I'm fine, Joey. And I would, I was combative. Okay. That's what I did. And then he would, Joey would talk and then I'd be like, my God, you're right. ⁓ because I listened, I was being coachable, even though I was, you know, as you put it, I was, I know so much. know what I'm doing. Blah, blah.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (05:08)
Yes.

Kathleen Flanagan (05:37)
I had my own stuff coming up of thinking I was stupid or whatever, even though that's not what you ever did. It was my stuff because I was so used to doing everything by myself. So when I had guidance, it was a real strange feeling, but I learned to shut up, listen, and do the work and saw the results.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (06:00)
Yeah, and Kathleen, like I told you many times, it's not your fault. We are programmed going to school and things like that. We're programmed to live through our logical mind. We're programmed that we have to if we want something, we got to figure out how to do it and all that and you know, and but if you look at anybody, even people who are teaching and this is what's unique about what I do versus a lot of business coaching or different coaching out there and such as if if you look at that.

one size fit all ABC plans, right? When you do A, B, and C, and you're supposed to get D. Hardly anybody ever gets D. And the reason being because when we achieve something, there's a portion of that achievement that comes through that there's no way we could bring about.

We call that coincidence, we call it Godwinks, we call it universe, we call it whatever it is and such. So we spend so much of our time in our in our logical mind trying to make things happen. When we can get into that other side, and we can just flow and the doorways start opening. I have built this entire business based on that flow. And I built this business in the first two years to go way beyond any finances I received in corporate America, even as a VP and such. And then COVID hit.

And everything dropped out. had like 13, 13 appointments, speaking commitments drop in one day and everything dropped out for everybody. It did not just me. And, and what happened without realizing it is I went back into that logical mind. And I went, okay, I got to figure this out. I got to do something as far as my marketing, I got to do something as far as contact people I got. And I started doing all this stuff. And I literally burned through two people that were on my team that are no longer on my team.

because of that logical drive, drive, drive, go, go, go, and such. And then as that started crashing, and then at one point, I was literally thinking, should I just go back into corporate America? you know, I had a seven, six, seven years in this business now that I've been building it and growing it and everything else, and had huge results. Thank God.

that I'm working with a coach in my life and I continue to do so because they were able to, I was able to talk to them and I knew roughly what it was, but I couldn't put that connection that was I was back in the logical state and living from that logical state. And the way we know that when somebody's in that logical state is things will start becoming harder.

We'll start feeling more anxiety, more emotional stuff, more fears, more things like that. And here's why that is, because when we're living in that logical state, all there is is us. I have to figure it out. I have to know what to do. I have to, I have to, I have to. So, and that transition back into, out of the logical and into the, I call the flow or the stream of, of,

the universe and God and all of that is my coach, once we figured it out, he said, Joe, go out to Chattanooga and go hang gliding for a week. And I was like, you're fricking nuts. But I did it. And I'm out there putting the hang glider together. I think it was my third jump off 2000 foot mountaintop with it. I'm assembling the hang glider and stuff and my phone rings. So I answer it and somebody out of the blue calling me that wants my coaching.

And then I get more calls that week. I ended up leaving that week without working at all, leaving that week with three new clients that just came out of the blue. And then as I go forward and things, because in every one of our plans, we do the A plan, the B plan, the recovery plan, that, you know, all this stuff and exhaust ourselves doing it. When really all we got to focus on is what's the action ahead of me?

We get a vision for what we want to achieve. And then we look at the actions that are showing up in front of me to take, and it becomes easier. That's the reason I'm able to help people like just ramp their business up in record timing and do so and have more freedom of their life. Like one of my clients who achieved Regina, who went from $7.5 million to over $22 million in 12 months. And that year of growth was the only year of her adult life she took five weeks of vacation during that growth mode.

Kathleen Flanagan (10:04)
Wow.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (10:12)
And I see that over and over and over again with my clients. it's that getting into that flow state. So if you picture this, this is a great way to picture it. If you picture you're in a kayak, okay, and you're trying to go upstream with the kayak, you can imagine how much harder that is. That's living from from that that from the mind like that.

If we get into the kayak and we start going down and we're just following it and every once in while you put a paddle in we steer around the rock or we kind of speed up to go those you know, but but you're you're going with the flow. And we've all experienced that at some time in our life. If we're over 10 years old, we've experienced that sometime like so we can use that to reconnect with those feeling tones. But the problem is, we go to school and we're conditioned we're programmed.

right? If we go through if we're in a math class together, and we have to go through like a trig problem, or algebra problem, and I go through it and I show all of the work and everything exactly like they tell me to do, and I got the right answer, I get 100%. Now you, Kathleen, you come along, and you're able to knock half the steps out of that, and still get to that final answer, you get marked down.

That's that conditioning I'm talking about. It's almost like robotic conditioning. And so a lot of programs and coaching, and I don't want to rip anything itself because I've learned a lot even from the programs that didn't get me where I wanted to get to. But when we go through those programs, we're not coming from our authentic self.

we're coming more from that side, that logical side of things. And if you remember, I told you, and today, if somebody is in a program that's logic based, I won't work with them at the same time, because it's just, and you experience it. I mean, you're so strong, but there were times it was really hard for you to flip back and forth with those and stuff. And I think once you got it, and really got it, then you were able to take that into that.

other side of the program you were doing and stuff. But a lot of people won't get there. It's just that constant shuffle until they just give up on it and stuff.

Kathleen Flanagan (12:18)
Well, I wasn't going to do that. And the thing that when I saw how easy it was when I got back into my heart space, because that's everything I do comes from my heart anyways. So why would I be in a logical mind? Because somewhere along the line, I was thinking, well, maybe if I'm up here instead of here, it would be better. And after going through this and then just allowing that space, that heart space and the information

and the downloads that I've got where I was finally able to understand I created my life. Every bit of my life was created by me. And it was a download because I had just gotten off the phone with you and I'm like, holy shit. I created every bit of this life that I had. But it was so beautiful because now I felt free.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (12:56)
and

Yeah, why does your microphone keep going out at certain times? When you go to say cuss words. I know, I know.

Kathleen Flanagan (13:17)
It does. Am I too far away? no, went silent,

Joey, come on. Anyways, but the whole point was is that realizing that that was a sense of freedom and then things were flowing and coming towards me instead of me doing that. And I do, I still go into it. mean, I've been, you know, with the world, the way it's going, there's a part of me because there's so much, even though I'm not part of it.

I'm still in the world and I'm feeling the race consciousness. And it's like, whoa. And it's like, okay, get back into your heart space, get back there. So in this process of like what all happened, because in this year I became another bestselling author in an anthology book where I finished the story of my life with my father, which was an incredible year of dealing with all of that. But

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (13:49)
We are of the, yes.

Kathleen Flanagan (14:16)
I was going back into this place of, my God, this feudal? What we're living? mean, are we going to blow ourselves up by the beginning of next year? And sitting here going, wait a minute, Kath, it's not, you know that, the lights won, you've won. And then it was like, and somebody asked me, what is it that you want? And I said, you know, I don't think it's coaching anymore. I don't think I want to do that. I want to be a teacher. And it's like, and somebody said, talk the journey.

because I know every step of where I came from, how I got here, what tools I used, what worked. And I thought, what if I become like write curriculum and programs for coaches who are starting to come out and have no idea what they're doing? And I thought I could do that. I could actually get and create a class and do the classroom stuff instead of the coaching and then maybe down the road if I feel like it. right now,

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (14:50)
issues during.

Kathleen Flanagan (15:14)
I want to help that those, but it's taken me what two years to like, because I'm like, do I want to do coaching or not? And, but it's still doing what I want. That makes me feel good because the stuff that I have is nowhere on the planet is what I learned 40 years ago. And, and what I have is not taught anywhere. And I,

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (15:24)
Yeah.

Yeah, and

you know, said about it took two years, know, part of the whole thing. And that's why even in my programs, there's allocated amount of time to develop what the SMT method refers to as a dynamic vision. And because, like, when I first started doing this, I would do it in a week, you know, within one week, the vision would be and I would notice if people didn't have a dynamic vision, they had an okay vision, maybe a little powerful vision, but it wasn't dynamic. So I added more time to that, because that's the other thing. So the, the

The other thing that we're taught and conditioned to shut down is our imagination. But that's where all of our desires are.

So Kathleen, like, I loved you. I love that you're in my life. I feel so honored by that. But also, when we talk about things, you're able to go really deep with your vision, you're able to see it and describe it. And even if you've never thought of it before, and do, but most people aren't like that. Most people are stuck with that shut off imagination. So it tap into that does take some time. So you're saying two years, the acceleration is never in the developing of the vision, the acceleration becomes once we take that vision now, and we

step into that and make that a reality that we live by. That's how acceleration starts happening.

Kathleen Flanagan (16:52)
Well, and what I also noticed too, Joey, was talking about that dynamic vision and I created that vision. And I think, what was it within three months? I was already living that vision. It wasn't like I'm writing a new language. not, it was, I'm doing this. I'm speaking it, I'm walking it, I'm talking it. I was living that, I stepped into it. So what did that mean I had to do? I had to go bigger.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (17:21)
Yeah. Yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (17:21)
And I think,

and the more I expanded, the more I started realizing if I just work one-on-one with somebody, I'm putting myself in a box and I don't want to be in a box. I want to help like globally on a bigger scale. And the way to do that is create the courses, get out on the stage and talk to people, let them know what I'm capable of doing. Because what was my thing this morning when I was getting my hair done? I said, I'm not sure how to market to the coaches.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (17:44)
Yes.

Kathleen Flanagan (17:51)
And all of a sudden, just now talking to you, I'm sitting here going, I got it. It just came in. Like, it's just how do you ask the questions to get to the place you need to go? It's the right asking the right questions in the right frame. But it's also having that clarity of vision because it's like, I kept going in my heart about the coaching. Is this what I want? I was like, I don't know yet. One minute says yes, then it's no, then it's I don't know. And but it's but I kept going back to that vision.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (17:55)
Yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (18:20)
I kept going back to the work that we did because it's like, go back into your heart, go back into your heart. Because up here, you're not gonna get the answer.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (18:23)
Thank you.

Yeah, and like, like we've talked about, you know, that vision is alive as you are, my vision is alive for me as I am alive and breathing and things like that. So as I grow, and as I expand, and I, you know, and achieve the vision comes to life, then that vision alters, because there's always more ahead, there's always, you know, for God, five years now, you know, five, after the SMT method is out for eight, nine years, whatever it's been, stuff like that, five years into it, I've wanted to write a book.

And for five years, I was in that place that you talked about. Now I've done a lot of other things, but I didn't touch that book. In January, just by coincidence, we'll say, you know, Godwink and you know, universe, whatever it is, is things started coming together, a publisher called me out of the blue and wanted to publish a book and, and all that stuff and everything. And now, like I have, I have the book and it's sold almost 20,000 copies in the last month now almost month that it's and it's I'm sure I am.

Kathleen Flanagan (19:21)
God, well you got are you a bestseller?

Okay.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (19:28)
I don't know, I don't track that stuff like that. My whole thing is I wanted to put this book out to help people. So even with the book, I'll just for a quick second, if I can plug, is it has, there's associated bonus material with it, where as you go through the chapters, it's a link in there you can go to and it's got some exercises so you can experience bringing some of the stuff I'm talking about, different steps of the program and things like that into, you can start seeing some achievement happening.

Kathleen Flanagan (19:53)
So it's what, is it reprogramming your subconscious mind?

I love it. That is so awesome.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (20:03)
Thank you. I'm so yeah, I'm so grateful. You know, people always say to me about being proud. I'm not a proud person. I'm a very, very blessed, grateful person. You know, because like I said, that the whole SMT method, what I do the way I live today, it came through me, but it's not of me.

Kathleen Flanagan (20:20)
Well, and that's the thing is we as a society, we don't give ourselves credit. We don't recognize our wins because that was the other thing that you taught me to, think was just what's my win. And I don't care how small it was, it was a win and it was recognizing myself. And I remember when I became a bestseller for, no, I'm going for bestseller for number two. What was it? It wasn't the first book.

Yeah, was the first book. When I became a bestseller for the first book, I actually stopped and celebrated. Normally, I'm like on to the next and it was like, my God, this feels so good. And this was a book that I was terrified of bringing out because it was so private and so personal. And then people would think I'm a crazy lady. I mean, all these things that I went through and yet I became.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (21:13)
Yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (21:15)
an international award-winning book author, and I'm also a number one bestseller. I'm a, yeah. And now I got a second book under me and I'm going for the second book I'm going for bestseller and I won award on the second book, which even that was like the biggest surprise of all because I didn't expect that book to get anything. So.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (21:20)
Heck yeah you are! Yeah!

That's so awesome. So awesome. Not

surprising that you would achieve that, but awesome.

Kathleen Flanagan (21:40)
Right. But I didn't think, you know, because I remember as a little kid thinking, I'm probably going to write books. And I'm like, yeah, I don't think so. And then I was told, I mean, then Spirit said you're going to write five more books or six more books. I'm like nine books, but it's not going to be so hard. And I've already got two. And I was just told the third one is the talk. The journey is where I'm going to write my a different version of the journey of the like what you'd probably did, like a book that talks about it and then it has the exercises.

So I think that's probably what they were trying to tell me of that other book, but it's gonna be like a mini course or something along with it.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (22:17)
Yeah, and just I mean, it fits into the conversation perfect, because we're talking about the logical mind, or coming from that place of flow and stuff, you know, when you were looking at your book and going, people are gonna think I'm crazy. this or that or anything. That's all logical mind stuff. It's all blibble blabble. You know, that's just going on in our head. There can be some subconscious programming causing that, which we can go into and shift and things like that. But I mean, that's what that is, is logical, when we get into that place of that, and one of the one of easiest way I get into the place of flow.

is I get into feeling tone outside of thought. When I get into my feeling tones, when I choose how am I feeling? How do I want to feel? When I get into that, you can almost feel that shift happening from the logical because the logical there's no feeling it just it's all just all, you know, does it make sense? Does it fit? Does it? Is it it reasonable? I love when I tell people about Regina and their 7.5 22 because they'll go that's unrealistic. And I'll say, sir, for you that always will be as long as you believe that it always will be.

Regina didn't believe like you believe. So she's achieved that. And that's another major thing. When we're in the logical side of stuff, we're always balancing it off of what we've seen other people do, balancing it off of what we think is possible. And a lot of times when we're looking at what's possible, we're looking at where we failed or where our limitations have been or things like we look at us, we look at me. I look at me when I do that. When I get into that other side and that vision and build that belief of what's possible for me is...

I know I have every resource in this universe working on behalf of me and fulfilling that desire for me.

Kathleen Flanagan (23:56)
I believe that. I mean, there's no doubt in my mind because miracles happen. I couldn't create some of the things that have happened since I started all of this. know, it's not possible. There's a point that, you know, divine providence comes in and takes over where you just have to get literally get out of the way and let it flow because you put so much energy into creating something. Things are coming towards you.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (24:11)
Yes.

Yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (24:25)
you have to keep refine, refine, refine because you're seeing there's a momentum building, but it's like you want to make sure you're always course correcting because I did that because it was like, what do I really want? What do I really want? What do I really want? Because you could almost see you're not going to get what you want if you compromise. And it was just that constant little tiny course correction. And then all of a sudden it's like, can you slow down? I can't, I'm on the, you know, I'm on the speedboat and I'm not driving.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (24:54)
Yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (24:55)
I just have to let the wind go through my hair and just do what they tell me to do. Yeah! Oh, you know, I thought I was gonna die!

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (24:55)
Yeah. Right. Yep. Yep. And there's fear in that and there's excitement and thrill and all that. Yeah. And you know, one of the things I've had, I've had such a great privilege to talk to people. I don't know, bigger, smaller, whatever. So but I think they're above me in coaching, you know, for what they've been doing, and things like that, and investment and all that stuff. And I've been able to talk to multiple of those people.

And my whole purpose in doing so is I want to dive into what part of your success has been through the logical mind with the planning, the steps you lay out everything else, and what part of it came out of the blue. Every single person things came out of the blue for.

So when with the SMT method, when I started developing this and really learning these tools, before it was even the SMT method or anything, it just trying to find my avenue again to fix myself is I was like, okay, so why don't I find a way to use all that power?

and go through that instead of the logical mind. That's when I could quit traveling 3000 to 5000 miles every single week trying to build sales territories. And I could quit all the logical and the backup plans and the forecasting and all that stuff and everything. And I could just start having fun with it. And so I started doing it that way. And all of a sudden, I went from...

I mean, just getting by to keep my job and stuff with what I was doing to landing $18, $22, $25 million year over year contracts. And all I did was shifted out of the logical way of trying to plan it and everything else and did the vision. And then I worked with those, we call them coincidences, but there's a design to those coincidences when we get into that flow, when we're going downstream like that.

that it starts opening up things that we they could be going by us all day long when we're growing up upstream, but we don't even notice them. But they're still there to work for us if we could notice them. So that's why every client I work with, especially business owners, the first thing I have to get them to do is throttle back a little bit. And I do that using utilizing the developing of the dynamic vision.

Kathleen Flanagan (27:06)
Well, the vision's everything because we need to know where we're going. have to have, don't need, yeah, it is a starting point because how many people don't even know what they want? Well, if you don't know what you want, then you're just going to be a victim to whatever life gives you. So why not? And so why not take control of

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (27:13)
It's a starting point.

Kathleen Flanagan (27:29)
Well, what is it that you want? And sometimes that's really, that's a very hard question. Cause I know I struggled with it the first time somebody said, what do you want? And I was like, I don't know. I know everything I don't want.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (27:39)
I

make it happen. You know how you see people and they go, how you doing? But they don't care. just kind of, it was kind of like a hello thing. Like I'll say to people, what do you really want in life? And I'm amazed, not amazed anymore. Saddens me though. People will go, I want to get through this month and pay the bills.

You know, we don't even think outside that, know, somebody with a business who's struggling with revenue and things like that, I just want to make enough to be able to cover payroll this week. That's what I want. And it's so small-sighted for what's possible for us. And so that's the other thing I love about this method. And again, I'll keep saying this, came through me, not of me. But

This method is the tools in it are based to work on the uniqueness of the individual. So part of the process, once we have the vision, we're bridging the gap where we are, where we want to be, there's a thing where we start developing systems of accelerating habits. And do you know out of the hundreds of clients that I've served over the past decade, not two of those people have the same habits. So when you look at a program that says you got to do A, B and C, you know, to get to D. And so what it is, is a lock model for a program.

And no matter where you come from, have to contort who you are to fit that program. The SMT method, although it's a mock model, it fluctuates to meet the individual where they're coming in from. So it aligns with them. So it brings out more of their

authentic stuff. It brings out more of the things that they enjoy and lit on fire doing and all that stuff and everything, instead of doing a bunch of things that we can't stand doing. But we push ourselves to do them over and over and over and more and more to get results that supposedly are going to be at some point.

Kathleen Flanagan (29:18)
Well, I'm going to say being on the receiving end of this folks, ⁓ Joey made me do things I didn't want to do.

And I, I, I bucked them. I bucked them like you wouldn't believe, but you know what? It was the best thing. Cause it was like, go to your email list and call them, them to your book signing, do this, do this. And it's like, and I was like, I thought I was like, I'm going to die. mean, literally that's how I felt. And I was like,

Okay, and I just remember just like everything inside of me freaked out. Like you want me to do what? It was and you know what? I did it anyways and I made the call. ⁓ my God, that I had to script it out just so I could feel comfortable. Never read the script, but I scripted it out so I could get through it and I called. It's like, my God, I've been wanting to talk to you. And I'm like, what? I mean, it was such a surprise.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (29:49)
But even in that camp...

Yeah. Because it was no! Yeah!

Yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (30:17)
Because I created these monsters in my head and that is not what I received. Because people were like so excited about the book, they wanted to talk to me, they were excited, they said they would come to the book signing, all sorts of things and it was like, my God, Kath, you are creating monsters, why? It's like there's no boogeyman under your bed, so why are there still boogeymans when you call and talk to another human?

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (30:40)
And we did have to do some reprogramming of the subconscious about that. if you remember correctly, because this is one of the things that I don't tell anybody what to do. So when we're talking, I said, well, how would you get people? How would you like to get people to see that? And you go, well, I know. I go, it be strangers? People you know? go, well, no, there's some people I know. And I go, OK, do you have like, do you know who they are? And you go, yeah, I got a list. OK, would you like to reach out to those people? No. That was your first of these pods. You go, no.

Kathleen Flanagan (30:43)
yes we did!

No you don't.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (31:09)
You go, could email him. go, yeah, but a phone call would be nicer. I go, plus, I mean, don't you care about and that's what we did is I talked to him and I said, don't you care about those people? And like really where they're at? What's going on over and above, you know, the asset you have for them and stuff, which is actually offering them something anyways. And by the time we did that, you were like, yeah, and you brave and it took you a couple of weeks, but you brave through that and you made that first call and you got to experience that and then that just lit you up going forward and to continue doing it into who you are today and how you live today.

Kathleen Flanagan (31:37)
I know, I would, I just, was no way, I don't think anybody could ever get me to move through that because that was like, I was so terrified and it had a lot to do with my childhood. It had to do with that I didn't trust people and people, know, love is pain, all this kind of stuff that I was taught that I just came to the realization of this year. And because I was coming to the realization of all this,

I was busting through some really, really core limiting beliefs about people, about myself. And, but I did it anyways because, know, there's nothing to fear, but fear itself. You know, I took control of my fear. I was shocked by the response. People are watching like, who is this girl? Because people, they're constantly watching me evolve. Cause I, when I got to the book event,

This one woman I was with, one of the co-authors, she said, I don't even know who you are. I said, what are you talking about? I have never seen you talk to everybody in the room the way you are. And you're the one going up to those people. They're not, you know, cause I was a wallflower. And she said, I have never seen this side of you. And I said, well, I know that this used to be part of me, but it was like, just kept working through it. And I think making that first.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (32:58)
And

it's that you were a wallflower, it's that you saw yourself as a wallflower. And that's what keeps us in those modes. And the other one, I remember asking you one time when we were talking about your vision or something going on, it might have been the thing with calling people and stuff like that, you know, and I go, well, let me ask you this, Kathleen.

Kathleen Flanagan (33:04)
Yeah, I did.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (33:19)
I got something else after this too. go, let me ask you this. Would you be okay getting 50 % of your vision? Would that be okay enough for you and stuff? And you got upset. I think you cried a bit on the phone. I couldn't see you. And you go, no, no. And that freaking stoked you up so much that question. Because you realize, yeah, this is stepping outside your comfort zone.

But is it worth staying in that secure spot to give up on half my vision? And that just came out of the blue. It's not something that I wrote down. You know what mean? That I wrote down. It just happened like that. And then the other thing I wanted to say real quick is that's where...

There is no plan I can go out to that's gonna lead me to where I wanna go to. There is a plan inside of me. And so the best thing I can do instead of doing all these actions and all this stuff and everything is turn that inward. We do that through the vision, through some other means in the SMT method. And then once we tap into that, now we're in our powerhouse in everything, every area of life when we're coming from that place.

Kathleen Flanagan (34:25)
And it does. This brings up so much of your stuff and as lightened and as aware as I was, I actually finally, because I remember you saying, you you're not bucking me like you used to. Now you just sit and listen when I say something because I was always defensive because I felt threatened and you didn't make me feel threatened. I felt threatened because I thought I didn't know anything. And then it's like, totally.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (34:39)
Yup, yup.

Yeah.

because your comfort zone was being threatened.

Kathleen Flanagan (34:53)
And, the, that was the reason why I had a coach because I knew I couldn't get where I needed to go without help because we get so tunnel visioned and I needed to get the tunnels off and get the, mean, you still want to have a roadmap, an idea, not step by step every minute of the day kind of thing. But I needed to be able to see something bigger because I started realizing I put myself in a box and I didn't even know how to get out of that box. put myself in.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (35:06)
Yes.

And it was harder for you than most of my clients because you were working with me and you had that other program going on simultaneously, you constantly back and forth between the two. So and still we're able to until we're able to kind of complete that like coming from where you come from now you're what you call your heart, you know, and then you took that into that program. And now suddenly started asking you to talk and the guy running the show is asking you for input and this and that and everything else. And that's exactly what happens in that situation. And I have to tell you this too, it's a huge compliment to you.

is I think the most powerful tool, the most powerful gift you have is your willingness to have a beginner mindset. You know that willingness to even though you get the bucking you get that you know where it becomes almost like feels like an attack at first and stuff is you're willing to you're one of those people that will go okay I know a lot

But what can I learn for this and add to what I already know? And I got to see that with you over and over and over. And even just a few weeks ago when we caught up here on the phone and stuff, get to hear more of that. I'm like, that's my girl, man. She got it. She got it.

Kathleen Flanagan (36:27)
Yeah

I know. mean, there was there's just so much that goes on. And I think just when I talk to you, it's like all of a sudden I'm just like, push back in my heart. And it's like everything just like opens up because it's like, ⁓ Joey, we need to have people come on and let's do a celebration at the end of the year because we don't know we don't celebrate ourselves ever. And that's why I wanted to do this three months on because I hadn't had guests on for this year for many reasons.

And, you know, there was a lot of changes, but right before Bold Grave Tea disappeared, I had over 41,000 downloads and I was starting to monetize and I was like, and then I'm like, do I keep the show going? What do I do? I mean, I was in denial. mean, I kept saying this is somebody's messing with me here because, you know, I still had those emotions and then something just said, no, keep going. Keep going. There's

41,000 downloads, Kat, people are listening and they're watching. So you have something going on. Now I'm rebuilding because that was an old platform. I'm on my platform now and it's building and I'm blown away at how fast my show is growing. And I'm not done. I mean, I haven't even done half of what I did when I was on Bold Brave TV because I have to do the front end. And now that the learning curve is almost over and then I brought somebody on and said,

She said, let's do a podcast about the book launch. I said, okay. And I'm thinking, you know, this is good because I feel safe with her bringing a guest on because the last thing I want to do is bring on a guest and have problems, especially when I don't know them. And so we, it went like a hitch, just like this is, it's like really easy, no problems. It was like, my God, I can do this. So let's bring guests back on. And it was just when I talked to you, when I realized it's time to bring people back on.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (38:08)
Yes, absolutely. Yes.

Kathleen Flanagan (38:25)
And then, doing it within my boundaries, you know, like three months on, three months off, because I can't get lost because I spent a whole year getting lost in my show, because it was everybody but me. And it was my show. And so, you know, I mean, that's the constant maneuvering and tweaking that I am knowing that it's okay to do that, because you actually helped me to realize it's...

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (38:26)
Yeah, and I'm really honored to be one of those people.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Kathleen Flanagan (38:52)
it's really okay, because sometimes I'm a drill sergeant to myself and I had to break the drill sergeant. It's okay. It's okay to go with the flow. It's okay to cancel everybody on your show, because then there's this head trash of, my God, what would they think? Well, who the hell cares what they think? That's a them problem, not a me problem. It's my alignment. It's me being in integrity with me, being in the flow, going where I see that my vision's going.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (38:57)
You know.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

and

Kathleen Flanagan (39:20)
And this wasn't working with all these other guests on my show.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (39:20)
Yes.

And everything you're talking about right there, it's you are the hero of your journey. I am not a lot of people will go you changed my life. I don't know you changed your life. I just got to facilitate and be there with you and enjoy it. You know, you are the hero. Life.

Kathleen Flanagan (39:38)
Yes, I agree.

Yeah, I agree with that. But you know, it's we're so it's still there's still a lot of habits we have to break including me. And part of it is that I've never really given people recognition for anything. Because I never received it. And most people it's like an or goes to their ego or it's look at me and I'm so much and then the thumb on me.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (40:02)
Yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (40:03)
So there's a lot

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (40:03)
Yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (40:04)
of things. I mean, I didn't apologize for a lot of things because I used to apologize for just being alive. And one day I said, why are you apologizing for everything that's wrong on the planet? It's not your fault. I, you know, but it's, you know, it's the pendulum swings and that is finding the center point.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (40:18)
it is. Well, let's yeah,

and a friend of mine told me one time he said as far as the pendulum is to one side, it has to go equal distance across, but eventually it'll find center. But if we don't want to allow for that, we want to go like this with the pendulum, but it's impossible to do that really. So a lot of people will stop partway into it and go back to it because they're or they start seeing it going up the other side, they want to back it back up to there and stuff. But it's all part of the process. If we understand

We're imperfect at our very best. We're imperfect, whatever you want to call it. so, and it's a learning, you know, there really is no good or bad. You know, in my first book, Lunch Lessons, I say that, you know, there's, you know, I had to take the judgment out of the things happening in my life, right? So if there's no good or bad, right, wrong, fair, unfair, anything else, why the heck is this happening? And then I could start seeing the lessons for me in it. But as long as I had judgment in there, I could not get to that lesson.

Kathleen Flanagan (40:57)
No, Maris.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (41:16)
So we're not meant to live through, you know, judgment of ourselves or others. We just pick that up through conditioning. You know, we grab something as little kid off the table and we're told we're bad, you know, or you know, I mean, and that's how we get that and stuff. there is no good, there is no bad everything the way it's supposed to be for the process for the transformation for the experience for the journey of a lifetime to experience it, we can't experience we can't appreciate light.

unless we know dark. So it's a great conversation.

Kathleen Flanagan (41:47)
Yep. It's very true. It's very true. I

know. I know. And it's coming to an end, unfortunately. So Joey, so tell us how we can get your book and how can people work with you.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (41:54)
I know.

Yeah, so I'll send you a link that you can put in the notes and stuff if you don't mind for the link for the book. people anybody can reach out to me Kathleen, I have a 15 minute call calendar set up to at coach with Joey calm, all one word coach with Joey and then calm. And anybody can set up a 15 minute call with me and just chat about stuff. If somebody feels stuck about something, if somebody thinks this is BS, what I've said on here, I love talking about that. Because we're where we feel

BS is where that defensive mode comes in. And it doesn't mean that we're bad people or this or that. So I'm saying it's not ringing for us. So if I can help somebody with that, I love doing what I do. And I'd love to be of service.

Kathleen Flanagan (42:42)
Well, I'm just so glad that you got to come back on the show. This was fun because, you know, I haven't seen you talk every now and then about the successes that we're making. And I'm not as far as long as I want to be, but I'm away farther than I ever was. But that's okay because it's the journey. And then I'm happy with where I am because of the journey. And that's probably the biggest thing that I took away from this is I'm okay with where I am because

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (42:58)
There you go.

Kathleen Flanagan (43:11)
Somebody had to remind me one day, well, when we're here to do really big things, it takes a really long time to build the foundation, so it's solid. And I'm like, whoa, and it was like one of those, it was like, this was a Dr. Joseph Drolhagen thing that would have said to me, that was like what it felt like, because it was so true, but we forget that because we get so caught up of why am I not successful yet?

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (43:25)
Yeah.

you

Yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (43:40)
but it's like you're doing everything to get there and you're still happy. I'm happy. Life is still good. There's lots of good in my life. Look forward to that, appreciate that. And everything keeps coming towards me again because I'm watching it.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (43:42)
in the fast food lifestyle.

And you know what's

funny about it? It doesn't make logical sense. say that right now. Okay, but we start heading out for something we do this vision, we're like on fire excited about this vision, right. And so we're excited about the vision. And then we think of actions we can take. And so we start taking these actions. And all of a sudden,

an action leads to much greater results, which makes us even happier. it's like it feeds itself like a snowball effect. just feeds itself. When we come from that place of feeling good and happiness, and then we're taking actions that align for us, then those actions bring more happiness and more results and it just flows that way.

Kathleen Flanagan (44:31)
It does it's that's very true cuz i've watched it i've watched when i'm just like all of a sudden it's like so much is moving forward cuz i'm in this good place and then it's like the flow stops because i have to like integrate it and just kind of see what what what did i just create here and it's like wow yeah and so and it's like okay just celebrate what you did because this was a lot in a very short period of time

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (44:35)
Yeah.

Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yeah. And here's the other thing anybody who feels frustrated like that about how far they have to go. Stop looking at how far you have to go. Look at where you were six months ago and where you are now and it'll completely change your perspective.

Kathleen Flanagan (45:10)
Yep,

very true.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (45:11)
And the outcome of what we experience in our life is based on the perceptions that we have. And that's why the SMT method works so well, because if we don't like our experiences, then we got to change our perceptions. To change our perceptions, we shift, identify and shift the programming, which then automatically change the perceptions and then creates a greater result that we can experience. Amazing.

Kathleen Flanagan (45:30)
Yep, very true. And what a great way to end. What a great way to end the show. So

thank you so much for coming on, Joe, and I will talk to you later.

Dr. Joseph Drolshagen (45:38)
Honored, I believe.

All right, be blessed.

Kathleen Flanagan (45:43)
All

right, I'll see all of you guys next week, Tuesday at 4 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. And if you like what you heard, then feel free to send the link out to friends and family and let them see if this might ring for them. See you then.