Extraterrestrials 101 - We Do Not Need To Be Afraid

Kathleen Flanagan (00:01)
Hello everyone and welcome to the journey of an awakening spirit. is Kathleen Flanagan and I'm your host. And I have Dr. Scott Gruen in the room with us and he is an award winning and bestselling author and educator with a passion for exploring the mysteries of God, the universe and the relationship with humanity. With two master's degrees and a doctorate in human development, he has spent 23 years as an adjunct professor in.

Psychology at Keene University. His popular Angel in Training series highlights society's shift from organized religion to spirituality. Dr. Gruen's journey is documented in his books, including Looking for Angels, A Guide to Understanding and Connecting with Angels, A Spiritual Journey, and 12 Lessons. His latest work, Awkward Awakening, Finding Our Way Home, invites readers to awaken to their divine nature.

their galactic heritage and contact with the extra-trestial life. He includes exercises and meditative techniques to help readers access higher dimensions and embrace connections with intelligent life beyond Earth. If you want to learn more about Dr. Gruen, you can find him at angeltraining.org or you can follow him on Instagram and TikTok at Scott Gruen Author and on Facebook, Angels in Training Series.

Welcome Dr. Gruen.

Scott Guerin (01:29)
Well, thank you, Kathleen. Welcome. I'm glad to be here. I'm glad to be here.

Kathleen Flanagan (01:35)
So tell us a little bit about your journey of becoming because based on, you you're a doctor of psychology and yet here you are talking about angels and ETs. That had to be a story in there somewhere.

Scott Guerin (01:46)
Yes.

Yes. Yeah, my my advisor for my ⁓ doctoral work, ⁓ his name, I always forget his name, but I'll remember it in a second. But he ⁓ he got me. He likes that, you know, you're you like to spend one foot in grounded psychology, but you want to step outside every now and then. Yes, absolutely. He goes, Well, we'll do that in a way that ⁓

be allowed. Okay, thank you.

But but otherwise, my ⁓ my journey, I tell people I came in hot. came into this life hot in the sense that I just from the early earliest part of my life, I just was curious about God, about religion, about, know, for what I could comprehend. You know, growing up, we all went to, you know, we had to go to church every week and we went to the Lutheran church. And so we kind of grew up in that environment. And then

I always was fascinated by the sermons, even as a kid, even in sixth, seventh grade. ⁓ had to, just, that was my favorite part. And so that's why I really soaked in everything the pastor said and suggested to do. And that continued my whole life. ⁓ And I went to a few different denomination, Protestant denominations throughout my life.

And then in my 30s, ⁓ I was an elder of the Presbyterian Church. I taught Sunday school for 12 years, ⁓ junior high Sunday school, which was a challenge. And I did everything. was the type, no matter what church, what religion, Protestant denomination I was in, I did it to the T. And then my personal life just felt was falling apart on the on the outside.

And it got to a point where it just kind of collapsed and divorce and financial ruin. And I was like, what is going on? I did everything right. What happened? And that was that was a time, guess you could say a dark night of the soul, you know, a true awakening where I felt I had nothing, nothing to offer. And that's when the bottom started.

rising and I started kind of elevating but like like when you're in the ocean you know body surfing and you're kind of swimming around then you feel a swell kind of pick you up and that's what really activated me at a deeper level.

And after that, I because I was I had kind of a sour taste in my mouth about organized religion, I just stuck with meditation. ⁓ That's all you know, I just investigated different techniques and learned how to do it. I went to the Vipassana 10 day silent retreat twice and which that was a, know, I to say life changing, but it was kind of life changing ⁓ when you're on a few of experience that. But ⁓

Ten days, you no talking. You can't even look at other people. You to avert your gaze and you spend. Yeah, oh, yeah. And then and you're in the Dharma Hall about about nine hours a day, you know, sitting across the leg around your prayer bench, meditating, you know, you know, it's guided, you you quiet your mind for the first five days. You learn how to do that. And then the second five days.

Kathleen Flanagan (05:04)
⁓ that goes a step further than what I'm used to.

Scott Guerin (05:28)
There's like an internal scanning type of thing. And that technique supposedly is what the Buddha used or ⁓ Siddhartha Gautama used to become enlightened. And those that same sequence carried through the twenty five hundred years to now. And they're all over the world, those centers. But that kind of got me forced me out of myself and more.

Kathleen Flanagan (05:41)
Hmm.

Scott Guerin (05:55)
connected with the spiritual world in general. And so I felt that I felt a glowing, general warmth being connected to the all that is the one, the God. then I wanted after about 10 years, 10 or 15 years of that, I wanted something a little more specific. So I ⁓ was listening to a podcast called A Psychic's Story.

with Nicole Bigley. And every week she'd have a different type of spiritual practitioner, a numerologist, an angel communicator, a medium. And I kind of thought, I'd like to write a book about angels. And so I asked her and we ended up writing a book called Looking for Angels, a guide to understanding and connecting with angels.

And that, we can imagine. mean, I that's when I really grew to make a connection with my spirit team, like my angelic team. And we and the word is out there a lot. Your your spirit team. And it seems kind of like athletic, like, you know, team cheerleaders and stuff. But it's the best thing. The group of of spiritual entities that are most in that you're most cognizant of in your life. And it could be.

past loved ones, could be angels, could be a deity, it could be ET ⁓ as well. so ⁓ spending time developing a robust relationship with them, ⁓ was something that it was just amazing to me and to see how my sensitivities kind of opened up. I took a ⁓ divine mediumship course with

Carol Swift Jones. ⁓ She's on the East Coast, but she does it remotely. ⁓ we started learning how to ⁓ be clairvoyant, how to work with people, how to get that set up and trust in your own abilities to do that. ⁓ that was another major step in saying that, in experiencing the spirit world that I've been chasing my whole

And then ⁓ in and around that, think because I was open to the spirit world and receiving information and communication and trusting that intuition, ⁓ I was guided to ⁓ our extraterrestrial neighbors. This one fellow, Marty Ross, who wrote a chapter in this book, my latest book, Awkward Awakening, about how to connect with them.

⁓ I met him a few times and he was so wonderful in meeting me where I was at, like skeptical, a little bit afraid. And he was talking like, you know, hey, I've been there. ⁓ I know it. You know, I speak with him on a regular basis. I know what's going on far beyond my belief talking and having ⁓ communication with some of the governing bodies of our ⁓

extraterrestrial neighbors. ⁓ And ⁓ it just blows my mind. But he was just so comfortable talking about that and them and what they're saying and this and that, that I felt just as I did with my with the angel spirit team and reconnecting with Jesus after a long time being away from that, ⁓ kind of being guided to make a connection myself.

and try it, know, baby steps ⁓ to ⁓ investigate that. And again, unfolding, you know, in my life. then ⁓ then I got a this is like this my entire life in five minutes. But the big catalyst for this book and the ⁓ the message of ⁓ awakening. And that's what I think. You know, I wrote a book, but it's not the.

It's a message to ⁓ to the planet right now, among thousands of others who are being moved to speak about what's going on in the world and where we're headed. And I was having I had a Kashuk record reading with Melissa Sparrow, ⁓ a woman who's pretty ⁓ sensitive and powerful, intuitive. And long story short, she was just saying they're giving you a scroll.

And that scroll is a book that you are going to write and you're to take the next year learning about these things that you're going to write about because it's time. And so the two key themes that kept coming to me was that people are waking up, waking up to their their own divinity, to our own multidimensional nature. Right. Which obviously no religion talks about this, you know. And is it

Is it because, you know, a power grab, you know, control? Is it just the fact that the religious leaders are ⁓ are just so, you know, enthusiastic about their own truth that they don't want to they want to protect it? You know, ⁓ so either way, ⁓ moving away from that idea of separation between us and our divine nature. And then ⁓ with that, ⁓

a time of tumultuous times on planet Earth. And when you look at it, there's so many traditions. The Hindus talked about that with the Yugas coming out of the Kali Yuga into the Sati Yuga. We have 14,000 years of ⁓ positive ⁓ spiritual evolution, connection. We're moving into that now. The Mayan calendar, when it ended in 2020,

Everybody said the mind calendar ended. You didn't really hear much, but that was the 13th back turn that ended the 14th back turn started then. And guess what? The 14th back turn characteristics are spiritual awakening, know, oneness, unity, same types of thing. And a time of tumultuous living, time of breaking old breaking down old structures, old habits, old customs and a time of

unrest as we move into that. And then the same thing that the Hopi Indians, the great purification predictions, you know, it's all happening. then astrology, not that I'm like 100 percent into astrology, so I was following it. But you look at, know, you look at the whole Pluto into Aquarius thing and then you look back and go, OK, fine. You know, things are happening.

But then you look at, last time it happened, well, 250 years ago, what happened? Well, the American Revolution, the French Revolution, you know, the the Industrial Revolution. And then you look 250 years back from that, you have the church, the English King Henry the Eighth, I guess, broke from the Catholic Church to form the the the English Church. I know there's a better word for that, but the Church of England.

the printing press, Copernicus, know, all those every every things like that. So there's to me, it's just like overwhelming to say, you know, to look and say, yes, this is what's going on. It's happening. And that as bad as it looks, it's going to be good. You know, it's going to be good. It has to happen. It has to happen. And. Yeah, we don't have a choice. That's true.

Kathleen Flanagan (14:09)
We don't have a choice.

So, and I've been saying that for a while and you've said a lot of things that my mind just went a hundred miles an hour on so many different tangents of what you said because I've learned about that. And it actually really started in 2012 because we actually shifted a timeline in 2012 on December 21st, 2012, I think it was, I'll never forget the day because it was five o'clock and in Colorado, five o'clock is pitch black and it looked like it was three o'clock in the afternoon.

Scott Guerin (14:20)
Thank you.

Yes.

Wow.

Kathleen Flanagan (14:42)
and the sun

had gotten so big and bright. It still is because we went up a level in a dimensional shift and nobody saw it. And I'm like, am I the only one that sees things? Because it was so prevalent to me that it wasn't the same sun. We weren't in the same timeline, but it was also at that point that the powers to be in our governments, let's just put it that way,

Scott Guerin (14:48)
Yeah. Yeah.

No. ⁓

Kathleen Flanagan (15:10)
also realize because they put a great big giant computer together and did all these different scenarios and they all come to this time where it's only one outcome and they're losing and they lost and they're trying to maintain control and they can't because this is the year that it starts. You know, all the institutions are going to break.

Scott Guerin (15:28)
Yes.

Yes, yes.

Kathleen Flanagan (15:38)
They're designed to break. They have to break for the new. The new is already in place. That's what people don't understand because part of what I did is I created the grid structure. did all the work for the planet to help her elevate, take us up, get that vibrational frequency risen to rise so we can rise. So I've done a lot of the preparation work and everybody, there's other people that have done things and we've all done it just like you, Scott.

Scott Guerin (15:46)
Hmm.

Hmm.

Kathleen Flanagan (16:07)
We've all done the prep work that we needed to do. My understanding, what I was told is that what's coming, those that are like us, the older generation, we've been through this before and we're here to guide the younger generation because they don't know what to expect. Because look at this, they're tied up on their phones. They're not conscious, they're not really present.

Scott Guerin (16:22)
Hmm hmm,

Kathleen Flanagan (16:31)
You know, there's young kids that don't even think they should have to work that the government and everybody else should just pay for them to be alive. I'm sorry, but when we go into this next level of vibrational frequency, guess what? They're going to be getting off their butt because nobody's going to carry dead weight. You know, and if there's a peer pressure system, which I'm sure there will be something that we all rise together.

Scott Guerin (16:38)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (16:59)
And there's enough tools out there. There's enough of us out there. I call us the way showers now because we know the way we learn the way we have to bring back what we knew. We brought it in. So yes, I always had a gaggle of spirits around me. And I remember the one time and I, and they talk a hundred miles an hour in my head. You know, I never knew who talked cause I didn't care who was talking. They were just talking.

Scott Guerin (17:12)
Yes, yes.

Kathleen Flanagan (17:29)
And I remember I went to a psychic once and I'm watching her go like this.

Scott Guerin (17:33)
Yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (17:34)
my God, you put up with this every day? said, yes. I mean,

she was like, how do you do it? I said, it's normal. And when they step back, I'll never forget when they stepped back, I went into depression because now I felt alone and isolated. Now I could feel them. They were just right behind me, just out of my auric field. But they said, you have to learn to stand on your own two feet. We haven't left you, but you need to like own this.

Scott Guerin (17:44)
⁓ yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (18:03)
I mean, we may be giving it to you, but it's still your information. It's how you're interpreting the information. That was a hard lesson to learn because, when you're depending on the voices, I mean, they talk to me still, not sometimes they're like 100 miles an hour. Sometimes it's dead silence. Like, are we playing that game again today? Okay, fine. And I don't get upset with it because what do I do? I just trust me now.

Scott Guerin (18:25)
Yeah.

Yeah, well.

Kathleen Flanagan (18:32)
You know, I don't need

them, but when I really need an answer, they're right there to give it to me.

Scott Guerin (18:37)
It's interesting you say that because when Nicole and I were writing the book on angels, a few times she got a clear message from the angelic realm saying, you know, someday you're not going to need us. You're going to be so connected and will and will be really happy because she's like, ⁓ no. But but I but I get that and I think I remember that, you know, that ⁓ they're helping us to get out in our own so we can fly.

sense.

Kathleen Flanagan (19:08)
And the great thing about the angels is people think, well, God doesn't love me. God's not helping. Nobody's talking to me. And it's like, well, are you asking for their help? Because they can't help unless you ask. I mean, that is the main thing. That was probably one of the biggest things that I heard from them is like, if you don't ask, we can't step forward because we have this, they are governed by free will and free choice. They cannot step over that.

Scott Guerin (19:20)
Yes, I know. know. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah,

I know. And it's like that's what I say, you know, over time, like it's a real thing. It's a it's a real thing that you have to they they won't do anything without your permission and your asking. And it just seems so counterintuitive. But but again, it's our own sovereignty, you know, that that they're supporting, you know, by saying by not interfering. But ⁓ yeah, well, that's great that you know, that it's always good to hear, you know, ⁓ similar

Kathleen Flanagan (19:49)
Right.

Scott Guerin (20:05)
Not that I don't, but it's good to hear from hosts that you're on the same journey. You get it, you know, and you're you're part of the voices and the light that is helping this whole thing move on.

Kathleen Flanagan (20:17)
Right, and you know, and when you come back into alignment with yourself, when you've worked through so much of your own limiting beliefs and realizing they're not truths and realize that you've been lied to most of your life, and you have to find that, you have to find that within yourself, and that's some pretty hard, ugly work to do sometimes to go deep inside because I was as flattened as you were when I wrote my books.

Scott Guerin (20:44)
Mm.

Kathleen Flanagan (20:45)
I was like, I just wanted to be a better person. Those were the only words I said to myself as I want to be better because I was so tired of being like so far away from outside and inside. And I was so tired of being angry and not understanding why I had such a pathetic life in my opinion. Now, most people didn't think that, but I thought that. I don't care how accomplished I was, how many awards I won, to me, my life was pathetic because I didn't feel good on the inside.

Scott Guerin (21:13)
Mm,

yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (21:14)
And when I faced all of that, and it was hard, mean, because it was like I had to bury my, go so deep and undig myself from all this crap that was put on top of me, that I almost began to think that there was no light there at all. And then I found it. And when I found it, that was the end. And then it was the matter of rebuilding. Because now it's like, well, who the hell am I? What do I think? How do I feel?

Scott Guerin (21:31)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (21:41)
What do I even believe in? Because you know, when you start seeing the lie, what is the truth? And it's not their truth, it's what is your truth? And then it became easier to create the boundaries. And I have been preaching this for the last three years on my shows because that's the truth. Because when you know who you are, when you understand you, boundaries are easy. No is easy.

Scott Guerin (21:48)
Hmm.

Kathleen Flanagan (22:10)
you know, saying, you I don't deserve to be treated like dog crap anymore. There's the door. Get out. You know, those things were really important to do. And I say that a lot for women because women are the caretakers and we carry so much more deeper burden of what would they think? This is my job and mom taught me this and, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah crap. But the whole point is, is that we still have to do that. We have to find our truth and live within that truth.

and whatever that is, and then we become more tolerant to our neighbors.

Scott Guerin (22:46)
the again.

Kathleen Flanagan (22:47)
Because that's because

you understand, know they're in pain. If they're acting out, they're in pain. What did you do? You acted out when you were hurting. You know, I mean, we're just pestilent little children when we don't understand or we don't know what's going on and we're having to fight it and 10,000 Facebook friends is not friendship. They're just numbers in an app that they're not there to help you. mean,

If you got a gun to your head, do you think one of those people are going to come out and say, please don't do that? They're probably going to root it on and video it. I'm sorry. That's how I feel sometimes about this younger generation and what they're doing. It's like you don't sit there and watch somebody suffer. You go and help them. I mean, what if it was you?

Scott Guerin (23:21)
Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's interesting.

⁓ Yeah.

Right, you would want, obviously.

Kathleen Flanagan (23:36)
And that's, and

I think that's the main thing is really getting this younger generation. And I know that there's awake kids that are 20, 30, 40 years old, but what they don't have is wisdom. They may have knowledge, but they don't have the wisdom yet. And there's something to be said about wisdom because you and I walked it. We lived it and how we speak it's from our personal knowledge, not.

Scott Guerin (24:03)
Right,

right.

Kathleen Flanagan (24:04)
a

book I read and regurgitating, you know what I mean? And I'm not diminishing the younger generation that are waking up because I can look at them and see that they're still struggling and they're still trying to find their way, but they do know more than some. they're at that generation where they can reach those people maybe a little bit better than I can.

Scott Guerin (24:07)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. And I mean, it's interesting you brought up that subject because a very strong theme that was given to me for this book was that ⁓ it goes back to my psychological roots is the shadow self, you know, and it came very strongly through that, you know, until you accept every aspect of yourself.

Kathleen Flanagan (24:40)
Yes.

Scott Guerin (24:50)
And not get rid of it, not get rid of it. It's not like saying no, have, you know, again, you know, the shadow self is, you know, Freud and Jung would say that the things about yourself that you don't like, that you're not proud of the the the base desires, you know, the secret addictions, all that stuff and all the ugliness. ⁓ That's the shadow self and the way to conquer that.

is not to shove it out like, no, you I won't do that. I won't go there again. I want to know you embrace it. And the exercises that I was given was to picture yourself like it's standing in front of mirror and picture yourself as being very ugly. And then embrace that, look into your own eyes and reflection. And yes.

Kathleen Flanagan (25:37)
That is so hard.

Scott Guerin (25:39)
But that is the coherence that you're kind of talking about. It's the hard coherence, the self-love, the seeing beyond the surface things that once you do that, then you can easily do that with others easily. And then that also happens to be the trigger that our ET neighbors are looking for us as a global community.

Kathleen Flanagan (25:42)
Yes it is.

Yes. Yep.

Scott Guerin (26:08)
to get to a certain level. It raises all our vibrations, right? Self-love. Once we get to that level, that is when the first contact will be made. And by the first contact means the open contact, the ships coming down, ⁓ maybe not the governments. I don't think it's gonna happen through that, but either way, some visible thing.

Kathleen Flanagan (26:09)
Really?

Scott Guerin (26:35)
And then and then interaction agreements and commerce and knowledge exchange and all that. That's when that's going to happen because of that. We they've been keeping away for a lot of different reasons. But the biggest ones that it's not safe for them, you know, to interact with us. What's that? Yeah, yeah. I always go back.

Kathleen Flanagan (26:51)
Right, because we like to things. We kill things. We kill things. Because we don't

understand it, so we let our fear kill things. I mean, we gotta stop with that one.

Scott Guerin (27:00)
Yes, Yeah, they might.

My my movies that I remember saying and I think was this black and white and he was done in like 59 or something like that and is called it came from outer space and these people, you know, military people. Oh, they see a flying saucer. What do they do? They drive up with a Jeep with a machine gun. And so, you know, that's the type of people in the shower who is

Darryl Anka, who is pretty prevalent on social media. channels Darryl Anka channels Bashar, which is an assassinate non-physical being out by Orion. And one of the statements he said was somebody asked, like, why aren't you why aren't you here? Why can't we see you? And he says, why? He says, we're joking a little bit.

But why would we want to land our ships in an insane asylum where all the inmates have guns? I love that so much. But any case, that's that's what they're waiting for. And once we get to that level where we can be trusted ⁓ to enter into intergalactic activity, that's when it's all going to happen. Now, some people say that's not too far away. Some people say that's, you know, maybe not in a lifetime.

But you have to remember. Well, yeah, you know, and the reason why I've kind of been signed to that more is that, you know, government, the world governments only make up a small percentage of the world population. It's the rest of us, you know, that are evolving and raising our vibrations, meditating more. There's numbers on that, you know, ⁓ and that's what gives me hope to say, you know what?

Kathleen Flanagan (28:29)
You know, I think it's going to be within the next couple of years.

Scott Guerin (28:57)
Maybe this time of ⁓ destruction, a sense, reworking our systems and starting anew. Maybe that can, you that's how it's all going to trigger. But yeah, so that's ⁓ that was the other message of this book is that, you know, it's right there, you know, it's right there. And don't be afraid. And they go into a lot of different things. Why? But I'm ⁓ sorry, my dog's barking in the background. ⁓

that, you know, kind of ET 101, you know, for people to say like, it's okay. A couple friends of mine, they said, they asked me about what I'm writing. And I told them that and they go, you know what? And I didn't prompt them. They go, you know what? I never really knew about it, but you're saying it's okay. And so it's okay. Like it just was the thing in their head to click it over to say, I feared something for no reason. And if

people or there's people out there that are interactively interacting with them and have been for decades and you blah, blah, blah. It's going to be okay. So alleviating that fear, I think is a big.

Kathleen Flanagan (30:09)
Well, and I think also to what I keep telling the people, there's more of us than them. There's more of us. when we realize that the powers in the numbers, and I'm not saying a massive government overthrow or anything like that, I'm not saying that I'm just saying there's more of us than them, that once we wake up enough that they can't control us through fear and manipulation and guilt and whatever else they do, once they can't do that anymore,

Scott Guerin (30:16)
Yeah, yes.

Yeah, yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (30:39)
they lost all their power. And then that means the people, by the grace of God, will realize they will see the truth and they will start, if we keep a governing body like this, then we will start bringing in more enlightened people that are for the people instead of for their agendas. And that's the thing, because I keep hearing things going on in the news.

Scott Guerin (30:41)
Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.

Hmm.

Mm.

Right. Yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (31:06)
And I told my partner, said, next time I ever ask you about anything, don't ever tell me. Because he was telling me about what was going on with in Minnesota. So I've got it. And I said, you know what? And what did those people in the state of Minnesota do? What are the people in California doing? What are the people in any state doing if they don't like what their governor is doing to the state? Or if the government's putting people in their state that we don't want? Just because that's what they decided.

Scott Guerin (31:10)
Yeah

Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (31:33)
Not with those people coming into the country wanted, but you know what I mean? So what are we

the people doing within our state because that's where we have the most control. We don't have control in the federal government. We have control within our communities, within our state. And if we don't like those people, then vote them out. And my answer was always, you know how we get rid of all these people? You don't go up and you don't go to

Scott Guerin (31:43)
Hmm. Yeah, that's a good point.

Hmm.

Yes, yes, I go back.

Kathleen Flanagan (32:02)
and elect them. You just let it for four years. You just let them don't replace the seats, let them all go and then start over. Because the younger generation that I've spoken with during through politics ⁓ in Colorado, they just want to go in, make a few things and leave. They don't want to be lifers. They just have something. And I voted for them because they were young, they were vibrant, they had great ideas.

Scott Guerin (32:08)
Hmm.

Yeah.

Hmm.

Kathleen Flanagan (32:29)
I know politics could destroy them because politics does that to people ⁓ based on what I have experienced in my life. This is my experience. It's not a judgment. ⁓ But you know, they don't get in because the old timers are in there. So what started happening when this younger generation wanted to come in? The old timers, the lifers are saying, no, we're not going to put an end to term limits. They're sitting there laughing on the floor and it's like, guess what? That day is coming to an end.

Scott Guerin (32:57)
Yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (32:57)
That day

will come to an end. Because it's not about your agenda, it's about the people. What do the people need? We don't need big government.

Scott Guerin (33:00)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Now, you know, I go back and forth on this, how active to be, you know, in addressing the things that are going on that are hurtful right now and then maybe moving into the next phase, you know, the new earth type of thing. Like how much am I going to get involved? Because what I don't like is when I get very, very angry. And I know that messes me up, you know.

And at the same time, you know, evil men, you know, succeed when good men do nothing, you know, you know. So I go back and forth on that a little bit. And then the only thing that I do, I say, look, guide me, you know, guide me if I if there's a pro, if I need to do something, please guide me. Otherwise, I'm going to I'm going to work on myself and raise my own vibration, because that does impact the earth. You know, obviously extremely fractional.

But ⁓ that's the only thing, that's how my approach has been. So some people will do the same thing, they'll say, what's going on? I don't want to know about that.

Kathleen Flanagan (34:15)
Right. And that's why I put, pray for the earth. I pray to put love around our leaders. I don't care what they are, who they are, what, and I don't like a lot of them, trust me. But I still put love around them because they're still, they're here for a plan. They're doing what they're here to do for us, you know? So I'm learning to take that to that next level because I'm not going to throw them hate because that's what they use. You throw them love, they don't know what to do with it.

Scott Guerin (34:31)
Well, you know, that's another, yeah. ⁓

Yes. Well, and not only that.

Kathleen Flanagan (34:43)
And then spirit

uses that energy that I'm putting with, you know, gratitude or love that helps to elevate the whole planet. So, you know, so it's not just like a laser, one little laser beam. mean, what if you got all these little laser beams who come to come to become a beacon of light.

Scott Guerin (34:51)
Right.

Yeah. Well, here's the other kicker thing is that sometimes, certainly in the biblical texts, you have God, you know, in, you know, in that perspective in those texts, using evil people to do his work is good work. King Nebuchadnezzar, you know, certainly in Christianity, you know, Pilate, Herod and Judas, you know, they're horrible people.

But if they didn't do what they did, then Christianity wouldn't have had such an extensive reach. ⁓

Kathleen Flanagan (35:32)
but they are the

greatest of angels to do that, to take that type of, that on, because it's hate. mean, it's something they're gonna live with. It's gonna be towards them their whole life until we evolve. So to me, they are the greatest of angels taking that on.

Scott Guerin (35:36)
⁓ job. Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well,

now that's a ⁓ very insightful comment. Yeah. So so sometimes when I look at all this stuff and I go, my God. But at the same time, I know cognitively that these things must happen. So like, don't get so angry and try to stop them, because in that sense, I think there is a human desire to protect and love and all that they can't just put aside. But.

But for the things that we can, you know, like the serenity prayer, you know, control the things I can accept things I can't. ⁓ But know that this whole thing is ⁓ fueled by something else, maybe, you know, that is moving us into our next phase. And so that that helps me sometimes to say, yep, it's got to be destroyed. It's got to be taken down, you know, in order to start new.

Kathleen Flanagan (36:44)
And it's not going to look like what we think it is because we are such drama queens in our head because our brains designed to do that, create stories. And when we look at that, we just have to realize that when 2020 came around and we were in COVID, I remember knowing this was coming when I was like 16, 17, 18 years old. I didn't know what it looked like. I knew it was coming, but the minute it hit, I knew it.

Scott Guerin (36:52)
Hmm.

Kathleen Flanagan (37:11)
And I screamed at God because I said, I was not going to be part of this and I'm here I am. And I was angry, but it wasn't what it appeared to be because once I got through my own personal crap about it and I looked at how the earth was healing because nobody was out of their houses, know, like look at California, the sun came out because there was no more smog. mean, when you think about what happened to the earth,

Scott Guerin (37:33)
Hmm.

Mmm, yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (37:40)
and how divine that was. Now, I'm an isolist anyways and I don't have a problem staying at home and all that. That didn't bother me until you told me I had to. But I was also out there working because I was one of those essential workers or whatever they called it. Yeah, but the whole point was is I just remember knowing that so.

Scott Guerin (37:42)
Yeah, yeah.

⁓ yeah.

you

Kathleen Flanagan (38:04)
This so-called collapse of what was might becoming doesn't mean it's gonna look like what you think it will in your mind because in my mind of what happened in 2020 was not what happened. There was a lot of good. Now, did it affect me? Yes. When we finally came out of it, I remember, because something happened in my brain, because I think there was some sort of mind control going and I just had to work myself out of.

Scott Guerin (38:16)
Yeah, right, right.

Kathleen Flanagan (38:32)
get out of this, get out of this, get out of this. And I forced myself back into like my body, so to speak, into working into who I was before COVID. You know what I mean? Because there was something that happened in my brain from, and even though I was working, there was still something that happened in my brain. And I got out of it. And I came out with a fury and a lot of people I know when I came out is when I started podcasting.

Scott Guerin (38:41)
yeah. Yeah, I get that. Yes. Mm Yeah, absolutely.

Kathleen Flanagan (39:02)
and other people were saying the same thing. There was a mind shift that happened for a lot of people. And then you look at 2020, what does that tell you? Vision, what are you seeing? How clearly are you seeing? To me, the agenda became very, very strong.

Scott Guerin (39:19)
And what I say to people now like, well, this is all going to pass. You know, they get it. We get what you're saying. And so when things get back to normal, I'm like, well, wait a minute. You can't you. What you can't say, yeah, don't think that things are going to go back to the way they were and the other political party will take a charge and fix everything like you don't know. Who knows? We may not even have midterm elections. May not. I know.

Kathleen Flanagan (39:30)
There's nothing normal about after 2020. Nothing's normal.

You don't know. We don't know.

Scott Guerin (39:48)
That's how. Yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (39:48)
We don't know.

Scott Guerin (39:50)
So that's, you know, then talk about sticking somebody with a poke in like, whoa, wait a minute. You know, that's that's huge. I said we have to be prepared for that.

Kathleen Flanagan (40:02)
Cause we don't know. I think, but see the power is still in the people. And that's the whole thing is that whatever's happening around me does not mean it has what I see out in the world. That's not my world. My world is what I'm creating in here and what's around me. And to me, I think if everybody said, this is what I want in my life. I want love. want, you know, money for my family to protect my kids, take them to good schools, whatever their dream is.

Scott Guerin (40:04)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (40:32)
You focus on you and your family. Whatever's happening out here is out there. You focus on your personal community.

Scott Guerin (40:41)
Now, would you say, because I've been mulling around this whole idea for a while, is that how we experience a shifting of timelines? Just by our focus, right? The more we focus, right? Yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (40:50)
Yes. Yes. ⁓ I, yeah, you definitely do. You will

actually literally shift timelines. And I was talking to a woman and I was telling her, and I actually shifted a timeline when I was awake and my partner was with me and it was the same thing. We shifted a timeline. So yes, you can shift out of the chaos that's coming because time is simultaneous.

Scott Guerin (41:14)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (41:18)
And there's many different dimensions within the timelines. So the timeline I was on, I said, I don't want to be here. And I was doing a lot of forgiveness work on a lot of things, a lot of people, a lot of everything. It was like blowing my mind away. And I shifted a timeline because I released the heavy burden I was still carrying. So if you're carrying anger, frustration, revenge, that type of thing, you're going to stay in the chaos, but you start...

Scott Guerin (41:21)
Mm-hmm.

Right. Right.

Kathleen Flanagan (41:47)
forgiving those that harmed you because it's not about forgiving them as much as it's about healing you. They don't because you got to get them out of up here. What you're doing up here is what keeps you trapped. So you start doing that love thing and forgiveness and being a different person and operating differently and facing whatever your personal demons are. You will elevate to the higher levels to where this chaos will not appear to be what chaos is. Now I also believe

Scott Guerin (41:52)
Yeah.

Right. Right.

Kathleen Flanagan (42:17)
And I'm being told that Spirit, those of us who are here, some of us that are the way showers will still remain within the chaos, not that we'll be affected by it, but we will be here during it to help get those people up and elevated. I already know that's me. I am the last. I'm gonna be one of the last to go, but I'm gonna be the first to land on that new dimensional frequency.

Scott Guerin (42:29)
Hmm.

I kind of had, I had.

Kathleen Flanagan (42:46)
with those that are in the plane with me, so to speak.

Scott Guerin (42:48)
I

just got like a confirmation of that. you know, just not a confirmation, like, yeah, like that's it. That's like, I'd see that for myself as well. Like you're going to be there helping. And so here's a question. What happens? I have an answer, but let's see what you think. What happens to the people who are not bought into this? They're still, they're still polarized, you know, create evil, you know, whatever. But what...

Kathleen Flanagan (43:14)
They stay. Two worse people,

there's two worse.

Scott Guerin (43:18)
Okay, but in our cognitive, in our perspective, where do they go? They don't disappear.

Kathleen Flanagan (43:24)
They will disappear from you. And I actually had an experience of that last year where I just disappeared and I saw it and it was me personally. Nobody else was doing is like, wow, I just like got disappeared. So it's like you go to sleep one night and say you're got a spouse and you're like, it's a domestic violence situation. Let's just, just go down ugly.

Scott Guerin (43:27)
Hmm.

Kathleen Flanagan (43:53)
You go to bed, you wake up and he just happens to not be there the next morning. But see, you're already gone, that you don't even know that he's gone. It's that kind of a thing because we're just going to shift out. They're just going to disappear. Like when you are no longer in alignment, you shift. ⁓ So those that choose to stay in the chaotic craziness of this world because they want to play for a while longer,

Scott Guerin (43:59)
Right, Got it, got it, right, right.

Yeah, okay.

Kathleen Flanagan (44:24)
They get to, they will be removed from this earth because this earth is where we're staying. They will be replaced to the new earth that they've already found. It's already been found. They will move over there. So that chaos moves there. And those that are in the vibration to want to grow and evolve and learn and do things differently, that's the new earth. And we're all going to be at different stages.

Scott Guerin (44:26)
Right.

Yeah,

woman, she's been kind of more more popular on social media, Elizabeth April. She's big on ⁓ remote viewing a whole different anyway. She's quite sensitive. And she provided an explanation. She said, it's like if you go to a city and you go to visit a city and you hear that there are parts of the city that are.

the violin there, you you don't really want to go. It's not safe. You don't go there. So you go to the other places. You go to the shows and the restaurants and you have fun. She said it's kind of like that. You're shifting your focus away. And what's happening in these unsafe areas like you don't even know. And so it's kind of like that, you know, which I kind of think the one kind of joke thing was right around the election. I was listening. I think it was a tick tock thing.

this young girl said, Well, I didn't like the results of the election. So I'm just going to shift my timeline out of here. Well, what does that mean? Just beam out like Star Trek. I don't know. But it's right. the it. Yes.

Kathleen Flanagan (45:57)
I don't think we can quite shift our timeline like that. We're still there, but we're still in a different dimensional

frequency within the timeline. You know, you're just jumping a ladder. You're going up another step of the rung, but the higher you go, the less you're affected or have that darkness, so to speak, around you.

Scott Guerin (46:07)
Yeah, yeah, I think that makes.

Yes,

right. So with that in mind, I mean, do we I guess that's you kind of saying that that people who are called to or able to can kind of keep a foot in that that old earth and the new earth at the same time. But it's some. But if you can't, you can't. And you can just you can shift up. Yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (46:38)
I'm learning how to do that. Being in two

worlds at the same time, it's not an easy place to be, but I'm learning how to do it. That's part of my job. I've known it my whole life. I'm the doorway.

Scott Guerin (46:45)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, I get that. And somebody asked me once and I said that that was my role. And I don't even know why I said it. But I said I feel comfortable being in the dark with the light, you know, you know, like anybody else coming over, anybody else come on home. And so I kind of feel I have that as well. I'm sure there's many others that will will be in that. But certainly it's not ⁓ easy thing to do.

Kathleen Flanagan (47:22)
No, it's a huge sacrifice because you've got to keep your body healthy because you're dealing with ⁓ diversity of, because the higher I go, the lower I have to go inside of me too. mean, it's typical yin-yang and people don't understand that. It's like, well, you've got all this knowledge. It's like, yeah, but look at how much deep, ugly work I had to do to get this knowledge.

Scott Guerin (47:25)
Friends, family.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (47:50)
It

doesn't come, you know, if there was a magic wand, I would have found it people. I searched my whole life for that magic wand because I did not want to go inside. But that's that's your freedom. That's where your freedom lies. ⁓

Scott Guerin (47:53)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, something

happened to me. I haven't really shared it with anyone, my wife. But, you know, I I was on I did a podcast and we're talking about these same types of things. And a ⁓ schoolmate of mine back in high school, like many years ago, he went into academia, but in the Catholic Church tradition and, you know, ⁓ not Loyola, but he was in that, you know, heavy into ⁓ academia.

in the Catholic Protestant Catholic theologies. And so he he heard one of my podcasts and then he sent me out of the blue. I didn't talk to him in decades. He said he left a comment. Scott, have you gone crazy? Yeah, I know, Scott, have you lost your mind? The next is that you're going to lose your soul. And that just happened like three days ago. And for some reason.

Kathleen Flanagan (48:56)
Whoa. Wow.

Scott Guerin (49:00)
It really kind of hit me and I'm kind of getting over it. But for some reason, like, yeah, that's the part of the sacrifices. My family isn't totally into what I do, but they supported it. And when I talk about that, they're supportive and stuff. But other people like, no, you know, there's a family member is like, no, the minute he sort of heard the word psychic, no out. You know, Jesus. So, yeah, so those are the things that I think we have to be.

cognizant of and prepared for and always choose the light in your path and your plan that we're here for.

Kathleen Flanagan (49:36)
Yeah, that's what I do. Well, we've hit our time. I mean, I could have keep going on this topic for a long time, Scott. This was fun. This is a totally different rabbit hole I went down, a little different than what I expected, but it's still a good one because it still comes down to that. have to wake up, the people have to wake up and they have to take their power back. And if they don't like what they see, then do the work on the inside and start, let's banning together as light beings and become the beacon of light. So we find each other and support each other.

Scott Guerin (49:41)
I know. Yeah.

Yeah

Yeah.

Kathleen Flanagan (50:06)
and elevate to that next level. So maybe this change won't be as drastic if more of us are awake and supporting each other. So how can people get ahold of you? I know I said it in the beginning, but go ahead and say it again.

Scott Guerin (50:13)
Yes, yes.

Okay. Yeah,

my website is angel and training.org and that has ⁓ my background in books I've written. And my latest book is awkward awakening dot com available on Amazon. And it's a primer on the awakening process that we're all going through right now. So. ⁓

Kathleen Flanagan (50:39)
Well, I want to thank you so much, Scott, for being on the show. I really enjoyed our conversation. I found it enlightening and stimulating and I'm all fired up again because, you know, we need to stick together because sometimes it's really hard for us as solo beings to keep going. So when I meet people like you and we have these conversations, it's like I can get my sword of Michael out again and start slu in the, you know, waving it around again, wielding the sword because

Scott Guerin (50:46)
Same with me.

Hmm.

Yes. Yes, I

feel the same way. Right. Yes, yes.

Kathleen Flanagan (51:09)
You know, I'm not alone. And you know, so there's the power in numbers. And

if everyone, if you enjoyed the show, I would appreciate if you like or subscribe to it. If you want to reach out to me or Scott, please feel free to do so. The contact information will be in the show notes. And from my heart to yours, I hope you all have a fabulous week. And that will be next Tuesday at 4 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.

Scott Guerin (51:34)
Great, thank you.