Aligning with the 6 Planets in January for Transformation

KATHLEEN: Hello everyone and welcome to the Journey of an Awakening Spirit. This is Kathleen Flanagan, your host, and we're streaming on the Bold Brave TV network. The purpose of the show is to help you realize that you are not alone and that you are in control of your life. It doesn't matter where you came from or what your circumstances are.

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KATHLEEN: I was supposed to have Zak on the show today and she's not here yet. I'm not sure what's going on. I have reached out to her so if she does come on. Oh never mind. I'm going to read her bio. She made it in.

KATHLEEN: Zak Lioutas is a multi-dimensional being that has experienced life differently. Since the age of three she has had many encounters with spirit and not all pleasant ones. You may hear her say some people watch horror movies others. Live them. Zak lived them.

KATHLEEN: In 1997, Zak went through a thyroid cancer and her first massive spiritual awakening. From going through many ups and downs in life and experiencing depression more times than she wants to admit, Zak has always found herself going back to her truth, to where the most happiness was found. As a galactic elder, master key holder, 12-strain activator, soul activator, and Jesus-loving human, Zak has the pleasure of bringing many through a journey of inner self-discovery, conquering both past and present lives to heal the present and the future self. Today, Zak finds pleasure in guiding women through the process of spiritual awakening, serving the truth, and finding humor throughout the way. Spiritual awakening shouldn't be painful, but it's about becoming mindful and cultivating the light from the darkness of life into something more pleasant for the soul.

KATHLEEN: Zak runs the bold, fierce, unstoppable woman's inner circle, as well as host messages from the other side, live events. Welcome, Zak.

ZAK: Hello,

KATHLEEN: Welcome. I've read your old bio because I couldn't find the other one. I think the little demon Marco, he has fun with papers and I think it got lost somewhere.

ZAK: It is what it is. What it has to be.

KATHLEEN: Right. So I have to get your updated bio again, since it's all messed up again. But, we're going out for whatever reason in a whole new way. 2024 is coming to an end. The holidays are upon us.

KATHLEEN: Life is good. All is well.

KATHLEEN: And we have the six planets that are coming into alignment. And I found out, I think it's February 28th, Mercury joins the lineup for a little while. So we got some big changes coming in.

ZAK: Yeah, 2025 is all about change. And it's just really about expanding your energetic frequency. And for those that have started expanding and those that are in it, they're going to see some serious changes and see their dreams come to reality in 2025. Excuse me, I think I'm going through a serious healing crisis. I have a fever going on. I'm freezing right now.

ZAK: Oh, thank you. I don't feel very hot right now, but we'll make it through another hour of life.

ZAK: We have good things happening in 2025. You just have to hold your low ends and stay focused and have the right people around you and surround yourself with. Pure love, but also remember there's boundaries.

ZAK: To really understand your boundaries and to practice your boundaries, because 2025 is going to be that time where you're going to have to use your voice if you want to attract the things that you want to attract. Timing wise.

ZAK: Planets come into alignments really but you coming into alignment with your truth so get true get real with yourself is what I want to say get real with your spiritual foundation get real with your truth get real with your authenticness because I felt these effects in the last month and I'm right now feel I just messaged my therapist I'm like am I supposed to be going through a fever experiencing this feeling that I went through yesterday And I don't know, but I can't keep my eyes open right now.

ZAK: And I feel so cold. So there is something going on energetically within me. And the more that you start allowing for the healing process of the past to leave you, it's going to leave you stop fighting resistance. And that's a big thing. If you fight resistance, you're going to resist a lot of great things that are supposed to come into alignment with you.

KATHLEEN: Well, I'm feeling exactly what you're saying because Sunday I went to a Christmas party and I didn't eat that much. But boy, Sunday night, my stomach just was not a happy camper. And it was being all the way out and it was just like nonstop. And I'm thinking, am I going through some sort of a healing crisis?

KATHLEEN: Today I woke up at two o'clock in the morning because Sal was making all this noise. And I'm sitting on the couch trying to get things done because I have to do a training on January 4th. So I'm trying to put it together. And I can barely keep my eyes open. And then my stomach is acting up again.

KATHLEEN: And I'm thinking, do I have a bug? So I get it. And the wind is blowing like crazy out here in Colorado. And I don't like when the wind blows. And I know it's the winds of change. And it's getting rid of all the cobwebs in my brain. Because it feels like that. I feel like I can't get my head on straight. I've been saying that.

KATHLEEN: Like, I got to get my head back on straight. Because I feel like. Like I'm floundering and discombobulated. I'm peaceful and I'm okay. It's just there's things going on that I can feel that I'm not quite sure what it is and I'm assuming that it's the prelude of what's coming and I'm getting my body prepared for it.

ZAK: Oh yeah, preparation's been going on for about two months for me right now. I'm in the second month of preparing my body for 2025 and it hasn't been an easy journey. I'll tell you that much right now. But a lot of things that have been coming to me is things that I also had to write off or write down. I shouldn't say write, I mean, write off, I write down. Oh, sorry.

ZAK: No, it's...

KATHLEEN: Here comes a message.

ZAK: Yeah. So there is, I would just tell a lot of people what you're going through, just write it down, write all your feelings down, write all your emotions down, write everything down, get it out of your system. Your system doesn't need to be dealing with past emotions. If you're living in the past, you'll stay there.

ZAK: You can't change the past, you could only change today. You can't even step into tomorrow, you have to sleep through today. So stop worrying about tomorrow. Forget about yesterday and live in this present moment because in this present moment that you can make all sorts of changes. And that's what this is all about is really staying focused in the present momen

KATHLEEN: Well, I know I'm doing that. I had, my marketing people, Monday. Yesterday, I woke up, I felt great, and it was one thing after another after another of things that have popped up that should have been resolved three months ago that weren't resolved, things that were just wrong with what happened with the marketing company, and I lit a fire under everybody's butt because I was upset.

KATHLEEN: Trying to make it right. And it's like, well, we promise we'll have it by Friday. And it's like, well, that's fine, but it's going to have to be for January now, not December because they just totally ruined December for me on this launch date. But what I did though, is I turned around and created a free webinar instead, like you and I talked about, and I have it all together. Now I just have to make it pretty.

ZAK: So do you think they ruined December or do you think maybe it wasn't time for you to have them in December because that was in divine timing?

ZAK: It might be. It might be that because this was planned since September to do this December 1st launch, a soft launch to my people. And then I figured, OK, let's try to get it by the 15th. And when I got everything that Friday, it just was wrong. Everything was wrong. So.

KATHLEEN: I know that's probably part of it is that I needed to re-shift around a little bit because again we're still and not that we're blaming Hermes but the minor adjustment you know which helps me the choices

ZAK: You've made and the problems you've created for yourself stop blaming Hermes people.

KATHLEEN: I'm not blaming Hermes I'm just saying I think what Hermes did was allow me to see that it was off And I think that's part of it because I was trying to get the marketing team to just say, I'm done.

ZAK: Just don't even waste, don't waste your time.

KATHLEEN: And they want to make it right. So we'll see what they come up with? So maybe this will be an add on to what I want to do. You know, I don't know. I don't know anything right now, Zak.

KATHLEEN: I'm just sitting here in the dark. I love when I'm in the dark, not, and I just have to trust the process. So I decided that I will do whatever I have to get done this week. And I'm taking the rest of the month off from like Friday, Saturday, whatever. I'm done for the year.

KATHLEEN: I get my head back on and just kind of settle and have some fun. I don't feel like I've had fun lately.

ZAK: Yeah, this is what I want to say to everyone is that God doesn't have a time. His time is the perfect time. It's just humans that have this time restraint for themselves. If Kathleen did something in September, October, and trying to get it out here by December, she's went through growth that she doesn't realize that has to go into that program.

ZAK: So because of all the changes that had to be made, it wasn't done on the 15th because you had to go through something. So I call that divine intervention and divine timing. Now we have something called emotional intelligence.

ZAK: That's how we use our emotions to redirect what we are doing with ourself and to look a place within us. So this is one thing that I had to learn a few years ago is emotional intelligence. And it was hard to go through emotional intelligence, spiritual.

ZAK: Maturity. Because when you realize how mature you become spiritually, a lot of things don't bother you. You're almost like, you look at things and you're just like...

ZAK: It is what it is I said I was gonna go out there I didn't go out there however I see some changes so if you're going through something like you know we all experience these things there's things that I was supposed to get done there's things that I was supposed to do all I said is another one bites the dust all right wasn't meant to be it's not gonna happen I don't have the bandwidth to make things happen right now and that's when I get out of my way and allow God to lead lead the way And that's one thing I noticed that a lot of people fight is their own self.

ZAK: It's like the devil's after me. And I'm like, no, honey, it's not the devil.

ZAK: You are your own inner demon. So it's just God's just saying, like, take the time to see what you have. Take the time to grow. Take the time to shift through things. And the more that you look within yourself and this work isn't easy or else the whole world would be awake. And that's why people are where they are in their life

ZAK: And the more that you go within yourself and the more that you unravel parts of yourself, the more that you understand you won't waste your time with a lot of petty stuff, because that takes up so much of your energy, especially deadlines. One thing I've never in my life got so connected to was deadlines. Or one thing in my life that I never really cared about was titles.

ZAK: I don't care what your title is. You could be CEO of whatever company you have. You could be a multi-gajillionaire. You could be whoever you are. Congratulations, but your titles do nothing for me. When you look at someone, does a title define them? So don't allow things to define who you are, especially in 2025. Allow your actions to define your truth.

KATHLEEN: And with that, we're going to go ahead and take a quick commercial break.

KATHLEEN: Welcome back, everyone, to the Journey of an Awakening Spirit. This is Kathleen Flanagan, your host, and we're streaming on the Bold, Brave TV Network. And I have Zak Lioutas in the room with us. And we are talking about... The up and coming changes and being very focused on yourself and knowing, trusting, just trusting.

KATHLEEN: And I think when you were talking, there was something that came up as well as, you know, it's, I don't, I'm like you, I don't usually put deadlines on, but you know, you've got this focus and it's, I think I just had to realize it's just time to ease up. You know, it's like, I feel like I'm in this pregnant pause. Like I want to birth this baby already.

KATHLEEN: And it's like, what am I not seeing? And, and I just, God, you're not, it's not that you're not seeing anything. It's just not time yet. It's just, you got to be a little bit more patient, just have a little bit more fun, enjoy the season. And I think when we're, when we're trying to birth something, I think we get really anal about it. And I always know.

KATHLEEN: When I've had experiences like this, because this is not the first or second time go around on this. I've had these a few times and it's like, oh, it's a new level of it's here. It just hasn't manifested yet. And then it's just, okay, it's here. I can feel it.

KATHLEEN: It's just when it's time and trusting a process. And I know when I'm in the place that I'm feeling now, a lot of times I want to go and beat myself up and I'm not doing that, but I want to. Because that habit is still showing signs that it's still there and keep changing the way I'm looking and doing things.

KATHLEEN: So that's what I looked at as far as what's going on is just doing some more deep inner work and finding what it is and finding peace. And yesterday I was half tempted to make cookies and I chose not to, and I'm ready to make cookies and apple butter and do fun things.

KATHLEEN: No, I have to get this done. I have to get the drill sergeant's out there, doing its thing. And it's like, no, it's time to let the drill sergeant take a rest. He needs to go on vacation.

ZAK: I feel that all right. I feel that all right. Yeah, I mean, you can't beat yourself up. At the end of the day, everything's done at the right time. And if it's meant to be, it will become. And that's one thing that we don't realize is that everything will fall into place. Once you start falling into place, everything else will fall in divine order.

ZAK: And when we have divine order, we have divine growth because God is an abundant God. He's never brought you on this earth to live starving or to live unhappy and to live in lack or to live in negative financial ruins or something like that. So the more that you trust within yourself, because God's not outside of you, God's inside of you. And regardless. The planets are going to be there.

ZAK: The energies are going to show up. Every part of you is going to experience this mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually, as long as you have what it takes to get you past that next level. When it comes to your emotions, when it comes to your growth, when it comes to your spiritual foundation, you will make it.

ZAK: And you have to be obedient to your word. You have to be obedient. I always say be obedient to God's word and everything else will will come when the right time is happening. And even things will come to you when you least expect it, when you didn't even put any energy into something. God will give you things better than you could actually think because we have pea brains.

ZAK: I always say we have minimal brain capacity of what we can achieve compared to how God sees us. Because I'm doing a program called The Quantum Woman right now. And when I was going through this process the last three months, it was just last week, I said, what qualifies me? What qualifies me? And that's when I got like a whole sermon about what qualifies me to teach the quantum woman.

ZAK: And I just sat back and I was like, damn, I didn't even think about all that. Probably when I was 13 years old, and how I was teaching this already at 13 years old subconsciously. And I didn't know that. I didn't remember that. I didn't have remembrance of it. But see, when God qualifies you, that's why I say don't follow the flesh, follow the spirit.

ZAK: The spirit knows you better than the flesh. So when you start following the spirit and not getting so stuck in the flesh, you'll start to realize things about yourself and grow from that point on. So recognize who you are in the spirit. And sometimes our spirit needs to be cleaned out. On a daily basis until we start really moving into something more powerful within ourself.

ZAK: You go through a lot of ups and downs. Your body takes a hit. My body right now is taking a serious hit because I'm doing some deep, deep, deep inner work. That's why I have a fever coming up. That's why I have a headache coming up. That's why I have all these things happening to me right now that every part of me is in pain, but every part of me needs attention.

ZAK: Every part of me needs nurturing. Every part of me needs compassion. I won't be able to hold on to that energy for my clients and my woman if I don't take care of myself. So don't give from an empty cup because you feel obligated to give. That's just your own ego saying that.

ZAK: Don't overgive because you feel like, well, I just have to do this because in your overgiving, you do have an intention as well. So do things because you want to do things, not because you feel obligated to do things. Do things because you're called to do things, not because you want something in return. When you give, you give from your heart. You don't give because, oh, well, something may come back to me.

ZAK: So take that into 2025 and really recognize parts of you that are in that place of intention really really look at yourself as a whole why do I do certain things do I do it because I want something in return or do I do it because I want to see that person grow and develop and create and become so there's just so much that you look within yourself that literally could change the trajectory from outside of you.

KATHLEEN: I noticed that yesterday. Where I was, I felt okay. My emotions are all over the place. So I realized that when I want to cry, that means something's ready to manifest because it's coming down into manifestation and it's hit that sixth level of consciousness, which is the emotions.

KATHLEEN: And so I was like, well, Kath, you have to allow this emotion to express. So that way you can push through whatever this is, that's coming forward. And I remember. Years and years ago, before I was in the school of metaphysics, we talked about that, the seven levels of consciousness.

KATHLEEN: When you create something, it goes up, goes out, and the ethers get all the features, and then it comes back, and then you can manifest whatever it is you're growing or doing or wanting. And I always stopped that process because I always wanted to cry, and I didn't want to cry because I was told I was a crybaby, so I didn't cry.

KATHLEEN: And so I stopped the process. And when I was in the school of metaphysics, they said, no, you've got to cry. You've got to get those emotions out because you're stopping. The flow of life. Like you're giving, but you're not receiving. I mean, you put it out there. Why are you saying stop? You know, cause that's what you're doing.

KATHLEEN: And that was a lesson I had to learn. And it was a very profound lesson because I have watched this over and over in my life. And, I know that as cranky and grumpy as I've been lately and Sal's the same way, cause we're both in this trying to get the basement done.

KATHLEEN: We're dealing with stressed out cats, we're stressed out and we're just working on okay, we understand where we're at and we're just starting to get like nice, like hold each other and love each other and be compassionate towards each other. And if my cats are all wigged out, I just sit there and I will put everything down and just give them all that attention because they're stressed too.

KATHLEEN: Everything's going to be shifting and changing. I already know that. It's just wanting it to be done and realizing it's like, why are my cats so stressed? I'm like, because we're finishing the crawl space. We sealed the crawl space off from them. Now we're rearranging the basement.

KATHLEEN: I mean, we're just traumatizing the cats because cats don't like change and this has been a safe place and now it's not so safe in their mind because they're hearing it. And I'm thinking, but isn't that how you're feeling too? You're going into an unknown and it's stressful when we go into the unknown. And that's why it's just keep breathing and ground the energy down and just trust the process and do what.

KATHLEEN: And for me, it's like, okay, well, one of my favorite things is to cook and bake. So guess what? I'm going to start cooking and baking and just really start enjoying life because it's like what you said, get my mind off of where my brain is at. And come back into the heart of me.

KATHLEEN: And, at the same time, I am asking if there's something I need to see, let me see it. If I'm got a limiting belief out there that I don't know what it is, let me see it. I want to transform whatever this stuff is. And I'm getting, you're okay. You just need to breathe and relax and enjoy. That's all I keep hearing. And just trust, just trust the process.

ZAK: I mean, no one likes change. That's the thing. People get so tripped out with change, but can you grow just being in that same place? If you don't change, you'll never grow. And if you're never going to change, then why even put any work into it? Continue working your mundane nine to five job, be miserable, be reactive in your emotions, have all this anger, and then start complaining about life because that's...

ZAK: That's all you're going to be doing. But if you want to create change, you're creating a whole different environment within yourself that may feel foreign. But why don't you bless the changes that are coming into your life rather than not bless the changes that are coming into your life? And that's one thing is when you start blessing your life with change, what else can you be asking for?

ZAK: And that's growth. Blessing is just like gratitude. And that's one thing that people forget is to bring gratitude into life. You know, you should be grateful for what you have, even when you don't have it. I remember the days I used to. Cry. I didn't have my, even put food on my table.

ZAK: I didn't even have, I was a year behind on my mortgage payment, but I talked to the bank and I said, I'm going to pay this. It's going to take me some time, but I'm going to pay this. And I remember the last payment on a year of being behind in my mortgage. And they said, Zak, this is your last one. I literally had the whole office celebrating with me.

ZAK: You know, there was just so much happening. And the more that you are honest with yourself. And the more that you're able to deal with your emotions and not be reactive in your emotions, but be proactive within your emotions, that's when you'll start growing and change doesn't become so scary.

ZAK: It becomes exciting. It's like having that inner child come out and play in an adult way. And the more you allow that inner child to come out to play in an adult way, the more you'll be able to receive.

KATHLEEN: And with that, we're going to go take a quick commercial break.

KATHLEEN: Welcome back, everyone, to the Journey of an Awakening Spirit. This is Kathleen Flanagan, your host, and we have Zak Lioutas in the room with us today. And when you were talking, I lost part of my thought, but I do want to make a comment about realizing when sometimes...

KATHLEEN: When we're in it and people just want to like pick at you and you're not speaking right or you're not this because they're insensitive and I know that I've been looking at a lot of various things of how I respond to people sometimes and not wanting to be a certain way and learning to either calm my emotions down before I call or if I start getting upset I just do my best to apologize.

KATHLEEN: But the one thing I don't do is push people's buttons and do passive aggressive things to people when they're in it. Because I think that when you're looking for just compassion and understanding, there's not a lot of people that really understand how to do that, especially when they view you a certain way.

KATHLEEN: And, it's like, well, it'll help you if you just learn to speak. Speak differently. And it's like, well, and you would get further in your life if you would stop letting your limiting beliefs run it. You can go back and forth on a banter like that, but what's the point of doing that? My thing is just, okay, just love them.

KATHLEEN: And hopefully they'll find their way. And if they need a little guidance or a push, be willing to do it. But like you were saying that boundary issue and where do you want to be? And how do you want to stand? In the coming year. And I know that I have a vision of who I want to become and how I want to be. And I'm very well aware that certain things that have happened in the last week is about me.

KATHLEEN: Who are you and what do you stand for? And are you willing to fight for who you think you are at this moment? And not in a negative way, but in a positive way instead of... Being a doormat or letting people walk all over me like I used to in the old days. And now I'm speaking up and I'm supposed to be going to an event in March and she's asking for money. And I basically said, you know what?

KATHLEEN: I'm pathetic right now. I'm going to tell you that right now and it's all okay. But if you need to give those spots away, I will be there. I'm just not financially committing to anything today because I can't. And, it's like I'm establishing where it's at.

KATHLEEN: I said that could change in two weeks for all I know, but today I cannot make a commitment because when you get those sales pitches from people, it has to be now, and there's only so many spots left. And, I'm just like, I am so over that game of, and it's why, because you're the one that thinks you're out of money. So you have to do that. I don't know.

KATHLEEN: But it's like I'm finding that a lot with people right now that there's an angst in people that they're afraid there's a lot of lack and fear running around right now. There's a lot of holding back and withdrawing. And instead, I'm jumping forward in my life. And even if I have the money or not, I'm jumping forward because I believe in me and everybody else is holding themselves back.

KATHLEEN: And it's like, but that defeats the purpose. So yeah, so am I out on the skinny branches? Am I scared to move forward a little bit? I'm not scared. I'm apprehensive a little bit. But you know what? All it does is it just, if I'm standing between two worlds, I need to trust that.

KATHLEEN: I need to trust. I've always been taken care of. If I look at the evidence of my life, yeah, I've had ups and downs, but I've always been provided for. I've always had a roof. I've always had food. I've always had people around me to... Take care of me if I needed. When I thought I was homeless, my business partner let me stay in this house for a couple of weeks.

KATHLEEN: I was never abandoned. And I think that's one thing people need to understand and realize. And it's just a deeper level for me right now in these interesting times that we're living in. And it's only going to keep getting more interesting because the energy is coming in and we have to adjust to that energy.

ZAK: The whole world's sensitive and people need to start strengthening their shit up straight up because you can't live in a world if you want to be a warrior of the world you can't be no sensitive human of the world. If you're going to come to me and I'm going to say something to you and you get all bent out of shape because you've taken it personal then that's a your problem not a me problem.

ZAK: I don't have time to play with weak-minded human beings. I don't allow everyone in my program. I go through an interview process and it's a yay or a nay. And if you don't want to get it right there and then guess what? I don't care. I will give up your spot or raise the price.

ZAK: So it doesn't bother me. I don't have these old sales pitch techniques. If you don't buy that today, I'm never going to have this program again. Bullshit. You're just lying. Stop lying. I don't have time for this. I really don't have time. And that's why I don't have coaches like that. That's why I'm not that person. If it's meant to be, it will become.

ZAK: Maybe I need three days to think about it. Great. Go and have three days. Think about it. Come back. Because maybe I don't even want you after three days. Maybe I've seen something inside of you that you're not fit for my program. Because after those three days, you're going to have to have a meeting with me again to see, do I really want to qualify you to bring you in right now?

ZAK: So I have qualifying questions. Not everyone comes into my program. I don't want everyone into my program. I am very picky with who I bring into my stuff because I don't care about your money. Yes, money is great. Money brings convenience to the world, but God will always take care of me financially.

ZAK: So I'm not chasing money. I'm chasing your success story more than anything. And the more that I chase success stories, the more empowered I feel. The more I chase money, the less empowered I feel because now I'm chasing the flesh while I'm in the spirit. You can't be in two places at once.

ZAK: You're either with the spirit or with the flesh and that's the whole thing. So world needs to, grow some really strong kahunas and stop playing the sensitive game with themselves and start becoming warriors. Because if you're never going to become a warrior and sit here like, Oh, someone said this and it really hurts. Well, you know what? Fix what's hurting inside of you.

ZAK: Fix what's hurting inside of you and stop taking this damn crap. Personal. And yes, I can be that tough with my clients, but I'm also there with my clients when I have them out on the field doing their work and I'm watching them and I'm observing them and I'm saying, hey, do this a little different.

ZAK: Hey, say this a little differently because I'm a hands-on business coach. I'm all about bringing it to alignment. I don't play and I'm not inexpensive and I'm fine with that. And I actually am pretty inexpensive considering what you're getting, but not everyone's allowed into my group. And I made that point very straight.

ZAK: And I have very limited to who I give my energy to in my group because my group, I call them my children. I want to see them grow. I want to see them evolve. I want to see them making five and six figures a month because I know they can do this. I've been doing this for 30 years. I've seen it. I've lived it. I grew through it. I was broke and I came back making 150 G's. So I don't chase money.

ZAK: I chase results. I chase stories. I chase the under the like the. What do they call it? The underdog woman, the woman that feel like they don't have that strength to go. The woman that people always picked on, the woman that felt like she wasn't good enough. Those are my people because I give them my eyes and tell them, I'm getting goosebumps saying this to you.

ZAK: I give them my eyes and I say, don't listen to what anyone said. What I see is this inside of you. And then go with what I'm telling you. I have people crying on me. I have people literally snot all over me. I can't believe you see this. I've never seen this. And I said, that's why you're in the group.

ZAK: That's why you're in the group because I saw something special in you. I know you're going to come into my group and you're going to sit there and complain and complain. I don't want your money. I don't want you even in my group, period.

ZAK: Period. Your energy, your vibe is just toxic. So fix yourself before you come to me. And I say that and I say that with an open heart and I say that with so much compassion. You might say, oh, she's so rude. She's so mean. No, I'm not rude. I could actually hear someone say rude right now as I'm saying this.

ZAK: No, I'm not rude. I'm just honest. If my honesty means that it's rude, then you got to fix something inside of you. That's the thing. No one could handle the truth these days. No one could handle the truth. And the problem is, is Jesus is the way, the light, and the truth.

ZAK: I follow Jesus. I don't follow any of the earth realm. If I follow the earth realm, I would never get up. I'd be depressed all my life. I follow something that's going to give me internal life, internal love, compassion. Guidance, protection, because God is an abundant God. So understand that if you think I'm rude, number one, you're taking it personal. I wasn't talking to you. That's your problem there.

ZAK: So stop taking everything personal and start growing some kahunas and raise your vibrational frequency and stop thinking the world is against you because you're against your own self. And if you're going to get over that, you're going to suffer in 2025 and for the next five to 10 years. And that's when I mean, I can't even get into that because that I don't even want to touch 20, 26, 27, 28, 29.

ZAK: What's going to happen? Do I know what's going to happen? They gave me a hinge. Am I going to sit here and talk about it? No, it's not. It's no one's issues what's going to happen because you can't even stay focused on today. I'm going to bring you now into five years into the future. No, thank you. Fix yourself today. Make yourself better tomorrow.

KATHLEEN: Well, and I think, we still control our future. I mean, just because spirit gave you what could be in the next five years, it can be for that person, but maybe for you because where you're doing something and you're helping people and supporting people, that's not going to be your world. It's all about perception.

KATHLEEN: That's how I look at it. And I've always felt that because when 2020 had, I knew when 2020 had, I had known about 2020 my whole life and I was terrified of it. And I said, I'm not going to live through this and you're not going to make me, and I'm not going to buy into this. Well, I ended up living through it. I didn't buy into it.

KATHLEEN: I mean, I still call it the plandemic because that's what it was, but there was such a beautiful message that came out on the other side. And it was. The beginning of the wake-up.

KATHLEEN: All of us coming back into our humanity because people started coming together. They were getting off their phones and everything was Zoom and all this kind of stuff. And that's what we're going back into that. That's what I see you saying. That's where I'm at is that I'm helping you because you need help and you want help.

KATHLEEN: And I have answers for you. It's not I can't I can hear I can help you. Give me your money. And then you walk off and never help that person because there's a lot of people out there that'll charge all this money and then never even help you.

KATHLEEN: Or they overwhelm you in such a way that you can't even see through it because it's too much when you need like a little tender, loving care and a little guidance and a little one-on-one and that's not part of the program, but yet you gave $30,000 for a program and it's all video.

ZAK: Okay, so I'm going to say this to you because this came as you're speaking.

KATHLEEN: Okay.

ZAK: Do you think it's overwhelmed or do you think maybe your body can't handle what God has for you? Because that can feel overwhelmed. So when you're feeling overwhelmed, instead of being all frantic about feeling overwhelmed and take a step back and breathe through and say, well, I'm really confused here.

ZAK: How do I break this down into bite-sized pieces? So that I could understand what's happening inside of me. Because if they're bringing this out and it's causing this, maybe my body can't handle this.

KATHLEEN: That's a very good point. I never even thought of looking at it that way. And it makes sense because if, yeah, I can see that with me where things were coming in so fast that I didn't know even how to handle it. And yet it was still good.

KATHLEEN: It worked. I mean, it's still there. It's like when I was able to manage it, I could start doing it, but there was still so much more. But yeah, I get that. That makes a lot of sense. I never even thought of it that way, but it's very true.

ZAK: Because our bodies are full of toxic waste. Look at the food we're eating. Really be mindful of what you're putting in your body. I mean, they have, what's this 3D photocopy meat that they're eating now? The gays are coming up with a peel, which is fake food. Like read your labels, go to your farm, get to know your butcher. People think I'm nuts. I drive two hours almost to get food to the farm.

ZAK: I drive to get my, and people think, oh my God, Zak, you go to that extreme? I'm like, yeah, damn right I do. You don't know what you're eating in a grocery. I go into a grocery store and my body like convulses. Like, oh God, what's in here? Like I can't even walk into a grocery store without my body convulsing. I don't even know what I'm eating.

ZAK: I'm constantly looking at labels. What's the four represent? What's the three represent? What's the nine represent? Like, you need to know these things. Because every part of you is going to literally feel that. And yes, pray on your food and prayer helps. But what helps more is that you know what you're feeding your body.

ZAK: What are you feeding your body? So that's all stuff that maybe is coming up because you need to take a deeper look within yourself. And that's where I'm at. Like I had to take deeper looks within myself when my body started breaking down or when overwhelmed happened.

ZAK: And I'm like, God, I see it, but I can't fully. Grasp onto it. And that's when I heard your body can't even handle the energy that we're giving you right now. I said, Oh, I know I could feel my body's in pain.

ZAK: I've never felt this much pain, but because of the work that I did for the last 10 years and the energies that I had to deal with, it was dark. I was dealing with depression for 10 years. I was dealing with women going through some serious suffering and then coming out of that and then starting their businesses and going through this.

ZAK: But I got a beating for 10 years and I'm tired of the beating. So now I got to take care of the body that went through the beating in order to be able to hold the energy that's coming from the next segment of my life and what I'm doing for the next 10 to 15 years. Because it's all comes in different phases.

ZAK: So instead of pointing fingers and blaming everyone else, like Michael Jackson says, and I say this all the time, look at the person in the mirror. If that person pissed you off, why did I? That person pissed me off. If this feels overwhelming to me, why does it feel overwhelming to me? Ask yourself, your higher self, those questions. And don't look at what you've spent. Don't look at that.

ZAK: Look at the work that I give. I could give you work that to me doesn't feel overwhelming, but to you may feel overwhelming because you have a lot of burden you're still holding onto from the past. And in those burdens that you're holding onto the past, it could really take a huge toll in your body. And that's one thing I say, okay, where is this triggering you in your body?

ZAK: What's coming up for you? And that's why the program I'm doing, I don't even talk about business until the third month. It's all mindset and personal development. It's all spiritual. It's all spiritual maturity, right? It's how we're going to grow. It's how we're going to evolve.

ZAK: If you can't hold on to energies right now, because you're going to get stronger, they're going to get way stronger. And the more that you're allowing yourself to grow and evolve, the more that you're giving yourself permission to go within yourself, the more you get off of this thing, right? And try to fit in with everyone else. You're not meant to fit in.

ZAK: You're meant to stand out. When you see yourself the way the creator made you, you see yourself differently. You don't see yourself like the flesh out there. You know, people say, oh, did you hear about so-and-so? And I'm like, I don't belong to that world. What do you mean you don't belong to the world? My government's God's government, not this government that runs you guys.

ZAK: Now they look at me like, did she just say what we think she said? Yeah, you heard me correctly. See, this is the thing. I don't get involved in the flesh anymore. 2020 taught me to get rid of toxic virus people in my life. That's what that taught me. There's a virus out there. Yeah, there's a virus in my neighborhood too.

ZAK: My neighborhood is called my auric field. Who do I need to get rid of? We all knew that something was going to happen if you were spiritually awakened. They were telling us for a very, very long time. However, how you took that is a whole different game. Did I think it awakened the world? No, I think it actually created more separation in the world.

ZAK: I think the world's slowly starting to wake up now, five years later. You know, do you still wear, wash your hands a thousand times? Do you see the grocery store? Are they washing the windows and the handles? No, everything went out the door. So you know that was a bunch of manipulative ways to get to your...

ZAK: Why? Because the devil loves to control your mind. God controls your heart. And that's one thing that you got to look at. Get out of your head and step into your heart.

KATHLEEN: What I was going to say earlier as you were talking, I look in my studio and I was looking for something and I pulled all sorts of stuff out of my past, my whole life, practically as in boxes or paperworks of things I started, of projects, of things I've studied, that kind of thing. And it's like, it's time to let all this go.

KATHLEEN: And at the same time, I looked at, oh my God, look at all that I have done in my life so far, that there's so much stuff that of paths I went down and, you keep it thinking you're going to do it. And it's like, no, those days that's the past, those days are gone.

KATHLEEN: And, that's kind of what Sal and I are doing in the basement. But I was like, I have to do my office. I have to do my studio. I mean closets, I mean all of it. And going through all this massive paperwork and in 2017 I used some of this stuff to create some of the programs that I did. But a lot of this now...

KATHLEEN: I don't need this anymore. This isn't what, this isn't where I'm going. This is what I needed to start with to find that validation for myself, like what makes you credible? You know, what makes me say I'm allowed to be this person?

KATHLEEN: And I needed that in 2017. I don't need that today because I already know who I am and why I'm doing it. And yes, I do have the authority to do what I'm doing and to lead the way that I'm leading. So that's another thing is, it's another way that's holding and weighing us down too.

KATHLEEN: And when we go through our closets and we throw away paperwork and we throw away things that you've had since you were what, 12 years old? Get rid of it. Have you looked at it? Have you seen it? No, because you're attaching meaning to something that had no meaning. It's just you're trying to find the meaning in your life. And that's kind of how I looked at it. Because I remember I did a massive purge.

KATHLEEN: I think around 2000, I did a massive purge where I threw like all my high school stuff away the yearbooks and all that kind of crap. I threw so much stuff away in 2000. And now it's like, it's time to throw the next layer of crap away from, from 2000 to 25 years later, it's time to dump that.

KATHLEEN: Because if I need to hold this energy, this isn't allowing me to hold the energy. So I agree with food. That's why Sal and I, we have three grow tents and one of them's hydroponics that they got set up this weekend. That's another reason why the cats are stressed is because, we're growing our own food at the same time. So we know what we're eating.

KATHLEEN: I'm losing my basement, but you know what I'm eating healthier because of it. And we have so many seeds and we're really excited about starting this growing process.

KATHLEEN: And, we still want to do the bees and we still think about getting chickens and all of that. Even though we're not in a farm, we can do that here. But the whole point is, is that I'm like you. I want to know what I'm eating because there's so much toxicity out there.

KATHLEEN: And how many people are saying, an avocado and it doesn't turn black or it's rubber or you know what I mean? There are people are describing what foods are like these days. And it's sad. And we're not awake enough to realize that they are poisoning us.

KATHLEEN: And we need to take responsibility. And that's the bottom line is we have to take responsibilities for what we think, how we feel, how we eat. And if you're mad that somebody's doing something, that's your crap. That's a you problem, not a me problem. I love that one. When I discovered that that's a you problem and not a me problem, oh, game changer in my life.

KATHLEEN: Heck. How can people get a hold of you and learn more about the program that you are bringing to the world?

ZAK: You can find me on Instagram at Spiritual Hustler. That's Spiritual H-S-T-L-R. The program will be released mid-February. I'm just going through it right now.

ZAK: If you are a Jesus-loving woman, it's only open to women, and you want to strengthen your relationship with Jesus and use scripture to build your life and your business, that's what it's really all about.

ZAK: I'm going to use scripture. I've used scripture for many years in my life. I was a closet Bible lover at one point because I didn't want people to know where I got my strength and my gifts from, but now I'm just ready to let her all out and just say, this is what I do. This is who I am. You can't handle it. The door is right there.

ZAK: That's why I'm very picky with who I have in my program. So you have to go through an interview process. And again, you can find me on Instagram at spiritualhustler. That's H-S-T-L-R.

ZAK: Well, thank you, Zak. I appreciate you coming on. I know you don't feel well. And it was still a good, beautiful program and lots of good stuff to be taken away from. And I hope you enjoy the rest of the year and the holiday season. And I look forward to seeing you next month on the show.

ZAK: Thank you, Kathleen.

KATHLEEN: Welcome.

ZAK: Thanks everyone for watching.

KATHLEEN: Thank you everyone for joining us today. And if you found value here, please feel free to like and subscribe to the channel and send the link to your friends and family.

KATHLEEN: If you're struggling with anything that we talked about or would like to get more information on how I can support you in becoming your authentic self, you can reach out to me at bravetv at KathleenMFlanagan.com and you can get ahold of Zak through Spiritual Hustler. On Instagram. I'm sure she will be more than happy to help you and assist you and get more information on the program she's coming out with.

KATHLEEN: My books, Dancing Souls, The Call, The Dark Night of the Soul, and Awakened are available on amazon.com and KathleenMFlanagan.com. And go and visit KathleenMFlanagan.com for the list of services and products that I offer.

KATHLEEN: And I do have the three-minute de-stress meditation that is available with no email required. It's my gift to you. And I wish all of you a very happy and joyous holiday season. I hope you have a fabulous 2025 because it's going to be a year of change. So hang on to your hat. I think it's going to be a great year on many levels.

KATHLEEN: It might be challenging at times, but I think it's going to be a great year. And this concludes my show for the rest of the year. And I will be back the first Tuesday in January. So from my heart to yours, I hope you have a fabulous rest of your year. Happy holidays, everyone.

KATHLEEN: Wow.